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cubedemon6073
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24 Aug 2011, 11:12 am

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This is what I was led to believe when I graduated college many years ago. I was led to believe and told that I would have a job once I graduated. It is possible I may have misinterpreted what they said. I will take the blame though.


Did someone tell you, or did you infer this from different sources of information? If someone did tell you you'd get a job, was it someone in particular, in a position to know that it was true?

It sounds like a generalization and perhaps an exaggeration. People involved in college recruitment, for instance, might tell prospective students they will have no trouble finding a job once they've graduated, but they can't know this for sure. It is more like, "the chances are good that..." Even when there are lots of opportunities in a field, it doesn't mean one particular person will be successful. Conversely, even when there is just one opportunity, one person looking for a job will be successful.

I think that rather than determining the truth of the statement, it might be more useful for you to do what you are doing: explore ways of finding a job. Life is too short for regrets or resentment, in my opinion.

Keep positive! It isn't easy, but learning to be optimistic in the face of disappointment will make you a stronger and happier person.


Actually, I am. I am trying to start my own business. This wasn't just college recruiters. This was the teachers and educators of the schools, the media, and the press as well. This is from movies as well. This is from my own perceptions. I could be wrong. I may have misperceived and misunderstood all of them. It is not about regret about not finding a job. It is knowing where I went wrong in my perceptions and where I veered off course and why my perceptions were wrong and are wrong. I based my decisons in life based upon certain premises which were apparently were false. In your opinion, do you think I should just forget trying to figure out where I went wrong,why I was wrong, just accept that I went wrong somewhere, and move on?

Here is another part of why this bothers me. What if other people are misperceiving what they're being told and taught as well? I want to save others from this same agony as well. Honestly, it will take me along time to get over this because I went into trying to look for employment based upon false premises. If I knew this when I graduated high school I would've done things completely different. It is 100% my fault though. I should've researched and checked my premises out to see if they really held up. I will be suffering with the consequences for my lack of preparedness for a while. Like some say, it's all good.

I will see if I can start my own business and go from there and try to succeed. Please, wish me luck. You're awesome Postcards.



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24 Aug 2011, 8:11 pm

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Regarding entry-level jobs needing "years of experience," it's worth noting that employers will often describe their ideal candidate in the job postings...sure, they are HOPING to get someone with years of experience but that does not mean it's 100% necessary to do the job. What they really means is "experience preferred."


That's very true. Getting a job depends on so many things that it is hard to give clear, straightforward advice.

A couple of ways to improve your chances of getting a job in your chosen field are: 1) ask to "job shadow" someone who works in the field (This usually works best if you have education in the field and have moved into a new area; you can say you want to see what the job is like in this particular company or area) 2) offer to do an unpaid internship to acquire experience 3) take "upgrading" courses in the subject area (even if you've already taken the same subject, in-person courses give you a chance to meet others hoping to work in the field and the instructor might have some suggestions 4) go to an employment centre and see if they have ideas about how to enter the field and 5) send your resumé to all the companies in your area, whether or not they are hiring.

J.


Another bit of advice: I have always sucked at interviews, so I got one of those "Best answers to job interviews" books. At my last interview, I answered the questions exactly the way the book said and got the job.

For example, the interviewer might say, "Tell me about yourself." Instead of going on and on about your life history (like I used to do!) you should talk about the job you are interviewing and why you are a good fit for it.



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27 Aug 2011, 8:10 pm

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Actually, I am. I am trying to start my own business. This wasn't just college recruiters. This was the teachers and educators of the schools, the media, and the press as well. This is from movies as well. This is from my own perceptions. I could be wrong. I may have misperceived and misunderstood all of them. It is not about regret about not finding a job. It is knowing where I went wrong in my perceptions and where I veered off course and why my perceptions were wrong and are wrong. I based my decisons in life based upon certain premises which were apparently were false. In your opinion, do you think I should just forget trying to figure out where I went wrong,why I was wrong, just accept that I went wrong somewhere, and move on?


Yes, I think you should move on, for a number of reasons: 1) A lot of people were saying you would have no trouble finding opportunities. What they literally meant was that there were a higher number of opportunities in this field than in others. That may be true, or they may have believed it based on some facts, or they may have been exaggerating because they were enthusiastic. Truth isn't always black and white, or obvious. Maybe it is not that important. 2) The accuracy of their assertions probably bothers you more than others. If enough people feel they have been duped, they will say so and do something. Talking to other people in your class might be simpler than trying to figure it out on your own. 3) It's great that you are trying to decode the situation with the blogger, which is fairly concrete. Trying to decode all of the people who told you (or implied) that you would get a job would be much more difficult, if not impossible. 4) Although you say you don't have regrets, you do seem to have some regret about taking the program and some resentment to the people you feel have lied to you. In my opinion, trying to figure out exactly what happened reinforces these negative feelings. and 5) Moving on is *always* good.

One more thing: I understand that you would want to start your own business, but in my experience that takes a lot of commitment and a whole lot of skills possibly unrelated to your real interest. I always tell my students they should work for an employer as an apprenticeship to starting their own business (in our field, in which there are a lot of self-employed and small business owners). It gives them a better idea of the work flow. If you have experience working in this area, that is great, but if not working or interning is a great stepping stone to launching your own business.

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29 Aug 2011, 8:28 am

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Yes, I think you should move on, for a number of reasons: 1) A lot of people were saying you would have no trouble finding opportunities. What they literally meant was that there were a higher number of opportunities in this field than in others. That may be true, or they may have believed it based on some facts, or they may have been exaggerating because they were enthusiastic. Truth isn't always black and white, or obvious. Maybe it is not that important. 2) The accuracy of their assertions probably bothers you more than others. If enough people feel they have been duped, they will say so and do something. Talking to other people in your class might be simpler than trying to figure it out on your own. 3) It's great that you are trying to decode the situation with the blogger, which is fairly concrete. Trying to decode all of the people who told you (or implied) that you would get a job would be much more difficult, if not impossible. 4) Although you say you don't have regrets, you do seem to have some regret about taking the program and some resentment to the people you feel have lied to you. In my opinion, trying to figure out exactly what happened reinforces these negative feelings. and 5) Moving on is *always* good.


I do admit that certain feelings of resentment do try to crop up inside of me . I choose not to indulge myself with these feelings. Here is why. I do not have all of the facts. I need to be as objective and level headed as possible. I can't make a determination if they are guilty or not guilty. I am going to assume they are innocent until proven guilty. I will assume that I had the wrong perceptions and derived the wrong interpretations from them. Either way, I should've checked out these facts myself. It is still my fault and lies 100% on me. I believe there are others who perceived this the way I did. These are not asperger children. They are NT children. This is one main reason I am having difficulty moving on. What if others have the wrong perceptions as well? I want to save them from these follies and give them a better future.

Another thing is it bothers me immensely when my logic seems spot on and it ends up being wrong. In a valid arugment the conclusion should entail or follow from the premises. The premises don't have to be true. When the argument is sound this it is valid and the premises are true. The argument I had was valid but was not sound. This means one or more of my premises may be false. What if I was deriving other conclusions from some of these same premises in other areas besides the workplace. It could be messing me up even further.