Asperger traits in girls
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As a child, I was obsessed with The Dukes of Hazzard and Hockey. I've preferred toy cars, over dolls. I've also enjoyed watching Spider Man. I was never interested in girly stuff. I've refussed to wear anything that was Pink. I hated talking on the Phone. I've spent hours making Garrages out of Lego, for my cars. Some of the boys in my neighbourhood thought I was a boy. I was also a big Star Wars fan.
This is me, too--well, minus the Dukes of Hazzard. I LOVE to play hockey and I love to play with Legos!
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Asperger Syndrome and Girls
The Pattern of Abilities and Development of Girls with Asperger's Syndrome
Dr. Tony Attwood
September 1999
The overwhelming majority of referrals for a diagnostic assessment for Asperger's Syndrome are boys. The ratio of males to females is around 10:1, yet the epidemiological research for Autistic Spectrum Disorders suggests that the ratio should be 4:1. Why are girls less likely to be identified as having the characteristics indicative of Asperger's Syndrome? The following are some tentative suggestions that have yet to be validated by academic research, but they provide some plausible explanations based on preliminary clinical experience. It appears that many girls with Asperger's Syndrome have the same profile of abilities as boys but a subtler or less severe expression of the characteristics. Parents may be reluctant to seek a diagnostic assessment if the child appears to be coping reasonably well and clinicians may be hesitant to commit themselves to a diagnosis unless the signs are conspicuously different to the normal range of behaviour and abilities.
We have a stereotype of typical female and male behaviour. Girls are more able to verbalise their emotions and less likely to use physically aggressive acts in response to negative emotions such as confusion, frustration and anger. We do not know whether this is a cultural or constitutional characteristic but we recognise that children who are aggressive are more likely to be referred for a diagnostic assessment to determine whether the behaviour is due to a specific developmental disorder and for advice on behaviour management. Hence boys with Asperger's Syndrome are more often referred to a psychologists or psychiatrist because their aggression has become a concern for their parents or schoolteacher. A consequence of this referral bias is that not only are more boys referred, clinicians and academics can have a false impression of the incidence of aggression in this population.
One must always consider the personality of the person with Asperger's Syndrome and how they cope with the difficulties they experience in social reasoning, empathy and cognition. Some individuals are overtly active participants in social situations. Their unusual profile of abilities in social situations is quite obvious. However, some are reluctant to socialise with others and their personality can be described as passive. They can become quite adept at camouflaging their difficulties and clinical experience suggests that the passive personality is more common in girls.
Each person with Asperger's Syndrome develops their own techniques and strategies to learn how to acquire specific skills and develop coping mechanisms. One technique is to have practical guidance and moral support from one's peers. We know that children with Asperger's Syndrome elicit from others, either strong maternal or `predatory' behaviour. If the person's natural peer group is girls, they are more likely to be supported and included by a greater majority of their peers. Thus girls with Asperger's Syndrome are often `mothered' by other girls. They may prompt the child when they are unsure what to do or say in social situations and comfort them when they are distressed. In contrast, boys are notorious for their intolerance of children who are different and are more prone to be `predatory'. This can have an unfortunate effect on the behaviour of a boy with Asperger's Syndrome and many complain of being teased, ignored and bullied by other boys.
It is interesting to note that some boys with Asperger's Syndrome actually prefer to play with girls who are often kinder and more tolerant than their male peers. The author has conducted both individual and group social skills training with boys and girls with Asperger's Syndrome. Experience has indicated that, in general, the girls are more motivated to learn and quicker to understand key concepts in comparison to boys with Asperger's Syndrome of equivalent intellectual ability. Thus, they may have a better long-term prognosis in terms of becoming more fluent in their social skills. This may explain why women with Asperger's Syndrome are often less conspicuous than men with the syndrome and less likely to be referred for a diagnostic assessment. The author has also noted that, in general, mothers with Asperger's Syndrome appear to have more `maternal' and empathic abilities with their own children than men with Asperger's Syndrome, who can have great difficulty understanding and relating to their children.
When a child would like more friends but clearly has little success in this area, one option is to create imaginary friends. This often occurs with young girls who visualise friends in their solitary play or use dolls as a substitute for real people. Girls with Asperger's Syndrome can create imaginary friends and elaborate doll play which superficially resembles the play of other girls but there can be several qualitative differences. They often lack reciprocity in their natural social play and can be too controlling when playing with their peers. This is illustrated in Liane Holliday-Willey's autobiography.
The fun came from setting up and arranging things. Maybe this desire to organise things rather than play with things, is the reason I never had a great interest in my peers. They always wanted to use the things I had so carefully arranged. They would want to rearrange and redo. They did not let me control the environment
When involved with solitary play with dolls, the girl with Asperger's Syndrome has total control and can script and direct the play without interference and having to accept outcomes suggested by others. The script and actions can be an almost perfect reproduction of a real event or scene from a book or film. While the special interest in collecting and playing with dolls can be assumed to be an age appropriate activity and not indicative of psychopathology, the dominance and intensity of the interest is unusual. Playing with and talking to imaginary friends and dolls can also continue into the teenage years when the person would have been expected to mature beyond such play. This quality can be misinterpreted as evidence of hallucinations and delusions and a diagnostic assessment for schizophrenia rather than Asperger's Syndrome.
The most popular special interests of boys with Asperger's Syndrome are types of transport, specialist areas of science and electronics, particularly computers. It has now become a more common reaction of clinicians to consider whether a boy with an encyclopaedic knowledge in these areas has Asperger's Syndrome. Girls with Asperger's Syndrome can be interested in the same topics but clinical experience suggests their special interest can be animals and classic literature. These interests are not typically associated with boys with Asperger's Syndrome. The interest in animals can be focussed on horses or native animals and this characteristic dismissed as simply typical of young girls. However, the intensity and qualitative aspects of the interest are unusual. Teenage girls with Asperger's Syndrome can also develop a fascination with classic literature such as the plays of Shakespeare and poetry. Both have an intrinsic rhythm that they find entrancing and some develop their writing skills and fascination with words to become a successful author, poet or academic in English literature. Some adults with Asperger's Syndrome are now examining the works of famous authors for indications of the unusual perception and reasoning associated with Asperger's Syndrome. One example is the short story, "Cold" in `Elementals: Stories of Fire and Ice' by A.S. Byatt.
Finally, the author has noted that some ladies with Asperger's Syndrome can be unusual in their tone of voice. Their tone resembles a much younger person, having an almost child like quality. Many are concerned about the physiological changes during puberty and prefer to maintain the characteristics of childhood. As with boys with Asperger's Syndrome, they may see no value in being fashionable, preferring practical clothing and not using cosmetics or deodorants. This latter characteristic can be quite conspicuous.
These tentative explanations for the apparent under representation of girls with Asperger's Syndrome have yet to be examined by objective research studies. It is clear that we need more epidemiological studies to establish the true incidence in girls and for research on the clinical signs, cognitive abilities and adaptive behaviour to include an examination of any quantitative and qualitative differences between male and female subjects. In the meantime, girls with Asperger's Syndrome are likely to continue to be overlooked and not to receive the degree of understanding and resources they need.
Reference:
Holliday-Willey, L. (1999) Pretending to be Normal: Living with Asperger’s Syndrome. London. Jessica Kingsley Publication
I must add, though, that I only experienced the predatory reaction, not the protective reaction, from my peers, particularly the females.
How is your DD treated in goups of peers? Is she ostracized?
Does she focus on "one" friend intensely as though no others exist?
Does she focus on "one" friend intensely as though no others exist?
1. she has a very hard time in group settings.turn-taking and social rules seem foreign to her. she seems to feel that when someone get to go before her, that it's a slight against her. ...also, the noise level in a group setting is overwhelming to her ( went to an audiologist who said that she probably has an APD, but that we should go for further testing with a specialist).
2. she has a difficult time having a play date with more than one person...typically, she prefers to play with one girl vs. a group of girls.
our daugher has the same problems. She'll sit down at the lunch table at school and if there is already a conversation going on she doesn't know when or how to just jump in and participate. She'll just sit through the entire lunch and say nothing.
Also, when she was younger and in a play setting with other kid(s) the rules of play were always according to what SHE setup. If someone wanted to play differently or alter the rules she would get very upset.
That was exactly the way our daughter did it, maybe 5 yrs ago. ster how old is your daughter?
Now that I think a little more deeply about it, maybe its that my daughter doesn't know what is and isnt an appropriate time to jump into the conversation. So she takes no action at all.
Her conversation family is forced and obligatory. She doesn't know what to talk about other than her obsessions. School has been tough for her. Although her Mom has done tons of work trying to get her pay attention to personal hygiene she still doesn't care much about taking care of her looks and how she dresses. She only does it because her mom would be mad if she didn't.
Because of her lack of interest in boys or clothes or personal care she gets accused of being gay. We have a hard time figuring out of she does like boys or not. She shows little interest and ... its hard to describe.. at 15 she shows no sense of her own sexuality. It depresses us to think that she may never be able to successfully have a relationship with someone.
Not being overtly interested may indicate that she feels intellectually superior to the boys she is around. I would not date people who were not as smart or smarter than me.
I can relate to the family conversations problem, but it is hard to know where those should go. At least with her obsessions, she is knowledgeable. She doesn't know what kind of day you had, therefore can not judge your reaction to that question. Instead of taking the leap and asking, she probably avoids those kind of things. I know it is important for me to know what a conversation will be like before I have it. (Mentally prepare.)
I hope this helped.
*I have to edit my posts I am being harassed.
Last edited by agent79 on 17 Mar 2006, 3:36 am, edited 1 time in total.
I also ramble. My husband has taken to reminding me how long we've been speaking. It drives me crazy, but I am becoming more aware.
personally, i don't care whether any of my children are gay, straight, bisexual, asexual or transgender.....as long as they are happy with who they are.i am so sorry to hear that your mother treated you that way~i have unfortunately met many people who feel the same way
Both myself and my son do this. Have you given any though on social skills training? I wish I had been taught this when I was younger. Although it takes incredible thought not to jump in, it is almost second nature.
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she's in girl scouts ( i'm the leader)~just started this Sept.....i'm not a huge fan of social skills training~it's not covered by my insurance, and frankly i have enough things these days that aren't covered by insurance . getting back to girl scouts~ it's a good forum for her to work on social skills, and also for me to be ready to assist when necessary....we review what happened at the meeting once we get home ( why did M act this way when she was upset? why didn't G want to work with me?).i can't say that she's all that thrilled with the social aspect of scouts, but i'm trying to maintain my enthusiasm and keep her spirits up~ she does love those badges !
beating your kid because she (or he) is just insane. Ster we never paid for any social skill training, our public school (in NY) gives it to our daughter because she has an IEP and improving social skills is one of the goals that we have outlined in the IEP. The school district's social worker and psychologist both work with our daughter (somewhat successfully) on conversation skills and things.
We don't think our daughter is gay but (there's a whole other thread on this topic, "sexual curiosity in aspie" thats also in the parents forum) she's currently at a real tough period in her life being a teenager.
not sure what you mean by this.......if you mean that i force her to go to girl scouts~i don't....she enjoys the meeting (in her words) " 65% of the time."....at this point in time, i feel it's better than nothing........frankly, she'd really just rather sit at home and do arts and crafts~sometimes that's ok, but to get her through life she has to learn how to get along with others.
further up within this post, i've explained that my daughter doesn't have an IEP, nor does she haev a diagnosis at this point in time~pretty much everything we're doing is on our own at this point ...can't afford official dx, as most folks around here don't accept insurance~$1500.00 is a bit steep for me right now.
sorry for that one...your post seemed to insinuate that you felt adverse to people whose gender-orientation may not be what you wished for.
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