New here.. 8 yo with AS and suicide talk...please help

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I think anyone who punishes a suicidal person should be shot for cruel and unusual treatment and murder, if the person died.

On second thought, shooting iss too much of an honor for them. They should be hanged.

yes and I think its ridiculous that anyone with an ounce of concern would even consider doing that. Do you really think the person in question would be suicidal in the first place if they haven't already determined that you and the others in their life were like that?

Exactly. And if not, it jsut makes them more suicidal, usually.


As to the Tony Attwood thing, I don't elieve it. Sometimes you're yelli9ng out for stmulation, for a lifeline to keep you there so that you don't HAVE to kill yourself to save yourself. During my worst depressive episodes I was often NOT calm. I ws terrified and angry that they weren't taking me seriously, I was so understimulated I was worried about falling into a black hole in my headd and never coming out.

I wasn't suicidal until 11 and I didn't tell a soul. I did, however, start self-injuring. No one noticed; although that wasn't the point for me anyway.

I've been suicidal off and on since then (not so much since I started effexor and invega). I'll tell you what suicide represented to me: an escape from things that were inescapable (like intense fear). No other options were viable; so I was only left with one choice.

Like I said, I still get the urges, but now I just treat it like my brain's hiccuping and I have to wait until it reboots.

Unfortunately this also goes for kids who aren't just doing it for attention. What I learned from psych. wards is that when you have problems, you get punished.

The one thing I learned from the psch ward is to never, ever, ever, ever tell anyone when I've attempted or am planning on attempting suicide. Even if I end up with some prett serious sideeffects as a result of my attempt - ie not being able to walk, the room constantly spinning, puking flourescent yellow

Heh, and I thought I was special when my puke was fluorescent yellow Wait. It was foamy too. I win.

I discovered that too with my son. He first started to say he was going to kill himself about 6/8 months ago, ( at almost 8 yrs ) and the first couple of times i was very shocked. But gradually found out exactly that, that he was wanting to escape from something, and had no idea how to. So although it still crops up from time to time it's no longer something i fear.
But it never seemed to come from a clinically depressed state , of reduced activity, slowed speech, dulled eyes, poor response levels, or loss of appetite, so don't know about that kind of suicidal urge in children.

I think it's best, as far as is possible, to see it as "rational" in a way, in that is someones wanting to get out of here. If someone wants to leave an event, the worst response is " no!! you don't want to do that, not really". Better to find out why want to leave. Not keep contradicting them by saying things like "no, it's not so bad; .. that's not true, no, you're not a loser, .." whatever.
The other thing is chemical states can induce depression; not enough Vit Bs, too much sugar, or other refined carbos, artificial colourings, not enough magnesium, ( beans, wholemeal cereals, fish, green veg, etc) not enough sleep. And food allergies, to gluten for instance.
Good luck.

I did the same sort of thing, on and off, as a child. never actually attempted it, though. I was depressed because of bullying and loneliness. I have truly wanted to die several times since, especially as a teen, but never attempted it because i could never do that to my parents.

kids and adults often threaten things out of desperation or anger and I think unless they have a real intention to do it then it isnt anything to wrry about. I have threatened to kill people and myself for example but never had any intention of doing it. Maybe talking to the person and finding out if they have an intention of carry it out is the best way to go.