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13 May 2012, 9:02 pm

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really? smacking a child because she refused to wear clothes? how does that tell her that she needs to take care of herself and dress to stay warm? all she is learning is dad hits if he gets mad or it's ok to hit people if they do not do what you tell them.

yelling and hitting a child who does not have special needs makes me sick, doing so to a child with special needs is so much worse



My mom would smack me when I react to sensory issues and it worked every time because getting hit hurt worse than what I was dealing with. Mom yelled at me too when I wouldn't listen. I even knew a girl with Down's syndrome who got yelled at too by her mother and she also got spanked.


So your child has a current obsession with power cables and wants to stick things into the powerpoints. How do you react? They are too low functioning to understand time out but they have sensitivities to loud noises which scares them into stopping the activity.

What would you do?


I would keep trying to stop him and maybe yell "No" and grab it out of his hands. I would even keep outlet covers over them but if he knew how to take them off or even still stick things in child prooof outlets, then I'd be screwed.

I have caught my son with scissors and my razor and I never shouted at him. I just would just take it from him because it didn't scare me he had it. But my husband has a emotional reaction when he sees it and runs as if he is in extreme danger while I am calm about it and just walk over to him and take it from him. But with outlets, I would yell because it's lethal or can cause a very serious injury.



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14 May 2012, 6:26 am

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My mom yelled a lot when I was a kid.....and to this day it's still hard for me to talk to her. So I don't think its a very good way to handle issues in the home.

It's hard for parents...but I take your point.


I am sure it is, but that does not excuse all the opportunities my mom took to yell at me and my siblings the way she did. I know sometimes people yell because they get frustrated and lose control even parents but to actually scream at your child belittling them is not something I see as justified which is what my mom did.

Not to mention well the sensory issues can make yelling just downright painful.....


I did it again this morning, she refused to wear her clothes in the freezing cold bathroom and got screamed at and smacked for being stubborn. She's old enough now to tell me that "daddy hurt her". I feel a little sick.

I'm the last person to advocate screaming or hitting but I'm afraid frustration and concern over your child's welfare can push you over the edge. Wait till you have children sweetleaf. Then you realise we can't be Jesus Christ all of the time.


I'm not having children.......but I just don't see what good screaming at ones kids does. I mean like I said I can hardly talk to my mom because of it because that's how intimidating it always was when she decided to scream and yell especially with the yelling hurting due to sensory issues.


I'm sorry about what happened to you. I'm making cognizant steps to minimize screaming/smacking only unless it's absolutely necessary.



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14 May 2012, 6:32 am

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really? smacking a child because she refused to wear clothes? how does that tell her that she needs to take care of herself and dress to stay warm? all she is learning is dad hits if he gets mad or it's ok to hit people if they do not do what you tell them.

yelling and hitting a child who does not have special needs makes me sick, doing so to a child with special needs is so much worse


Yeah I know, it's driving me nuts that I am forced to do it.

My daughter had a bath and the morning temperature was 4 Celsius, I was frustrated not because she was naked but because I didn't want her catching a cold.

The only other times I smack are when she puts herself in a harmful situation or deliberately confrontational and threatening to break something like the home computer.

If there was any other way I'd consider it. I'm going out on a limb as social services in Australia can take action on parents for smacking.



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14 May 2012, 8:52 am

There are ways to teach your child other than yelling or hitting. I think all that does is create robotic thinking of something bad happening when they do whatever upsets you, it doesn't actually teach them anything. It would be the same for all children, but it's just a bit more complicated with special needs kids. Maybe they need pictures, videos, whatever helps them to communicate. It seems like it's a lot of creative parenting on our part and getting ideas and from others. It is completely normal to get frustrated, I apologize if I was too harsh on my last post. I am new to this site and didn't think about the fact that a lot of parents may be on the spectrum as well. I was abused verbally and physically as a child and am sensitive to the subject, it ruined my childhood and left me with a lot of issues.

Someone mentioned a kid obsessed with light sockets and wanting to stick things in them, this is common behavior with a lot of kids so they make cheap outlet covers. I would still put my hands on the child's shoulders and say no in a firm voice as I shake my head back and forth. Or maybe use picture stories..

I was at a meeting and someone said that their little boy tried running off the lawn and into the street whenever they let him play in the front lawn. They suggested a colorful barrier that he would not be allowed to go past. It might not look great on your lawn, but it seemed like a helpful tool that could be used as a temporary solution as he was still too little to understand the dangers of cars and strangers etc.

again..new to this site, but I think a new thread about creative parenting could be really helpful for all of us if there isn't already one



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14 May 2012, 11:49 am

I think people are a tad idialistic. I feel bad for saying this but you cant just distract and use cue cards on lfa children especially as they get older and are more more advanced cognitively.

My place is fort knox with everything locked away and padlocked. I have to use restraining and hard pressure techniques to calm my lower functioning son or he self harms and attacks his aspie sister. I come off with huge bite marks and bruising but i never yell during his meltdowns. My daughter being the cheeky minx she is during these sessions, will take this oppurtunity to paint with custard, cut sheets with scissors or try to run away in the shops. I have yelled to shock her to stop before using time out for her afterwards.

I don't like yelling but I am one of the best parents I know. If there was a way around it, i would utalise it. It is illegal to lock children in cages though.

EDIT: I don't smack. I have done so only 4 times and that was for running in front of road trains!


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14 May 2012, 12:35 pm

Looks like a lot of the comments on this thread are coming from people with no kids. You really have to experience it to know what it's like.



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14 May 2012, 12:43 pm

Solvejg wrote:
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KristenNoel wrote:
really? smacking a child because she refused to wear clothes? how does that tell her that she needs to take care of herself and dress to stay warm? all she is learning is dad hits if he gets mad or it's ok to hit people if they do not do what you tell them.

yelling and hitting a child who does not have special needs makes me sick, doing so to a child with special needs is so much worse



My mom would smack me when I react to sensory issues and it worked every time because getting hit hurt worse than what I was dealing with. Mom yelled at me too when I wouldn't listen. I even knew a girl with Down's syndrome who got yelled at too by her mother and she also got spanked.


So your child has a current obsession with power cables and wants to stick things into the powerpoints. How do you react? They are too low functioning to understand time out but they have sensitivities to loud noises which scares them into stopping the activity.

What would you do?



Well if I see a kid about to stick something in an outlet then I might yell because it scares me......but then I'd probably end up apologizing to the child like 'sorry I yelled at you like that, it just scared me and I didn't want you to get hurt'. But as a general rule no I would not knowingly scream at them knowing it hurts them to make them stop doing something else. My preferred method would be plug up the outlets so they are harder to get into(things for that can be bought at the hardware store), I might do my best to make sure power cables are out of reach and if the child was going to play with an outlet(but not in immediate danger) I would calmly stop them and try to explain why its a bad idea......if they don't have the capacity to understand that at that point then I would try re-directing them to another safer activity.


That may work with a toddler but try a 5yr old who pries the caps off with anythibg skinny he can find. Autistic children can have obsessive interists just like us adults on the spectrum. What I am getting at, is that there are circumstances that yelling is appropriate. It is easy to be idealistic until you have a child on the spectrum or even multiple children on the spectrum like I do.


Using someones sensory sensitivities as a means of controlling them is borderline cruel in my opinion.....so if your first approach is always to 'scream' at him when he messes with the outlets I would not agree with that. But as I said I understand not everyone has full control of their emotions at all times and sometimes people get frusterated and yell. I am just saying the thought process 'it hurts my child if I scream at them so I should use that to control them.' would be wrong but I understand not everyones perfect and people yell. as I said if I saw a kid going for an outlet I might yell to because its my immediate reaction.

I dont really feel I am being idealistic.........my mom used to scream at me a lot, if anything it only added to my problems. So naturally I am of the opinion screaming is not a good way to deal with kids but I also realise no ones perfect and everyone yells sometimes so its not like I think if a parent yells they are automatically a bad parent......I just don't think yelling really helps anything. It's just my personal opinion.


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14 May 2012, 12:44 pm

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Looks like a lot of the comments on this thread are coming from people with no kids. You really have to experience it to know what it's like.


Yeah maybe that is because some of us grew up with parents who screamed at us a lot.......so we've experienced the effect it can have on the child. Why should that just be disregarded?


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14 May 2012, 12:52 pm

Can say I am an expert but I hear typically if a kid does stick something in the outlet it wont kill/maim them.....is more likely to just scare them. So this could sound like a terrible thing but just throwing out there sometimes doing it once and getting that whole scare is likely to deter them from playing with the outlet. but yeah that's kinda iffy as I am not quite sure the worst that happens if you stick a pin or something in an outlet.


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14 May 2012, 1:07 pm

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Can say I am an expert but I hear typically if a kid does stick something in the outlet it wont kill/maim them.....is more likely to just scare them. So this could sound like a terrible thing but just throwing out there sometimes doing it once and getting that whole scare is likely to deter them from playing with the outlet. but yeah that's kinda iffy as I am not quite sure the worst that happens if you stick a pin or something in an outlet.



A mother told me a story about one of her sisters sticking two silverware in a outlet and it shocked her and her hands got bloody. Back then they did not have those child proof socket covers because it was the 60s.



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14 May 2012, 1:49 pm

you know what I am letting that go.....deleted my response and I'm not going to allow it to effect me. A poster said somethig that pissed me off but I have no hard feelings and I hope they find peace in life. :)


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14 May 2012, 1:58 pm

I have a lot of perspective on this topic but refuse to contribute because it's an obvious trap, all it does is breed animosity. This thread should be allowed to die and be buried by new threads and forgotten.



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14 May 2012, 8:17 pm

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I have a lot of perspective on this topic but refuse to contribute because it's an obvious trap, all it does is breed animosity. This thread should be allowed to die and be buried by new threads and forgotten.


Yes, I agree that would be for the best....I'm sorry if I am interpreting this all wrong, but as far as I can tell, nothing is really getting accomplished except bickering back and forth and insults b/tw members. I've mostly been lurking on this thread, but I do apologize for any role I might have had in the downward spiral this thread seems to have taken.


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14 May 2012, 11:55 pm

We really are at a point that is non-productive. I know the parents on this board, and not a one would advise that yelling is an optimum solution. But parents are human, and it is impossible to always follow even your own "best practices." Alll parents make mistakes, and most of us already beat ourselves up over each and every one of those mistakes. Piling on more guilt isn't going to help. Just like a parent needs to find the triggers for a child's meltdowns, they need to find the triggers that make it hard for them to follow their own best practices. And that ... isn't going to happen in a message board discussion. It is a matter of self-reflection, and sometimes a matter of being willing and able to ask for help.

I know that words hurt. I know that yelling hurts. If there were any parents who doubted that, they have the feedback. We are here to find what DOES work, and not to dwell on the mistakes that come from being an average, imperfect parent.

So I am going to request the thread be locked.


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15 May 2012, 12:05 am

thread has been locked. please keep it civil, folks. this is a tough conversation to have without feeling attacked or attacking others, but keep in mind we are all imperfect humans.


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