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04 Jan 2015, 12:14 pm

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I am not talking about falsifiability of hypotheses in science, I am talking about doing science and living life through requiring that all of one's actions have to be based on falsifiable hypotheses for oneself to try to do something. I doubt that most people in America ackshuly believe that if they believe that they can do something that thing can definitely be done. Instead, people who are positive about themselves being able to do something generally believe that there is non-zero chance that something can be done and they have ability to try to do it, even though they may lack much information needed to do it, but they can learn as they go. In some cases, they do the thing and prove that the thing can be done. Such thinking and acting may lead to greater results in some area of pursuit than opposite pattern, while most leaps of understanding in science result from such thinking and acting applied quite strongly.


Here is what I don't understand. Why is one's consciousness is treated as the primacy instead of existence being treated as the primacy?

What is the extent that one's attitude, which is a part of one's consciousness, can influence external reality? What are the limits of one's abilities and how does one delineate if one's attitude is impairing his ability or if it really is something else other than attitude? What are my constraints exactly in what I can and can't do?


I don't think that anyone knows what eggsacly are their constraints in all areas. I don't know, I only know that I tend to do well in some areas and bad in other areas. One can't know eggsacly what are the limits of abilities. One can't know what are all the factors impairing ability to do something. One can't know eggsacly the contribution of one's attitude towards influencing one's behaviors that may influence things outside oneself. For factors outside oneself, one also can't know eggsacly.

Knowing eggsacly all these parameters is not necessary for trying to do something or doing something successfully, but using not knowing eggsacly as reason for not trying or reason that one can't do something and avoiding action towards something is less likely to lead to positive outcomes in common pursuits for most people.


I'm going to say that I disagree with you and here is why. Let's look at the college grads who did what you said and have mountains of debt in student loans. They were encouraged to take a chance and reach for the stars. Wouldn't it have been better for them to know thyself (abilities, inabilities, strengths, weaknesses,) and know what environment they were getting into as they were getting into their careers.

Let me put it to you this way, some of the college students made the assumption that going to college was sufficient enough to go to college. Why? Why did they assume this? Because, when the educators in high school and middle school kept saying that college was necessary they automatically made the assumption that it was sufficient when it was not. They, including myself, heard necessary and automatically assumed sufficient. WRONG! They made this decision based upon this erroneous assumption. Why did they have this erroneous assumption? Because they lacked accurate info and thought they had correct info. One of the key pieces they lacked was critical thinking skills. They were very positive in their thoughts, believed they were better than they were.

We don't need more positivity, positive attitude, believe in oneself, positive and self-esteem affirmations. What people need is information and how to obtain info about themselves and the external environment and how to critically analyze, evaluate and come to sound conclusions about what they can do and not do based upon the information gathered. Seems similar to the scientific method. Why can't one take the ideas and concepts of science and the scientific method and apply them in other areas besides science? Why do you insist upon dichotomizing the two?

Based upon my analysis of myself and external reality I see it as highly implausible that I can mesh in the workplace. Don't try to change my attitude or tell me to believe in myself. My consciousness is not the primacy. Existence is. Even Francis Bacon said "to command nature it must be obeyed." Examine what I say about myself, my traits, the way I think and show me where my logic is off. Question my assumptions. Question my thinking. Question my logic. For me to succeed, I must obey my own nature and the nature of the reality I'm living in. To obey these things, I must have an underlying understanding of these things. How you can reject this, I don't understand.

This whole believe in oneself, positivity, etc, has to be rejected on metaphysical grounds. It assumes that existence is secondary to consciousness when the converse of this is true.



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04 Jan 2015, 2:37 pm

I dont' know what you are saying with the college stuff.
I went to college because I wanted to learn.
I didn't assume that college guaranteed anything.
I don't know why anyone would make that assumption.

Also, I didn't say that applying critical thinking in daily life was not good.
I said that applying bizarre standards like knowing all data points to maladaptive eggstreme of not trying to do things was not good.


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04 Jan 2015, 7:17 pm

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I dont' know what you are saying with the college stuff.

I went to college because I wanted to learn.

I wanted to learn as well.

I didn't assume that college guaranteed anything.
I don't know why anyone would make that assumption.

Also, I didn't say that applying critical thinking in daily life was not good.
I said that applying bizarre standards like knowing all data points to maladaptive eggstreme of not trying to do things was not good.


Interesting! About college and HS, I will state then that your experience and the interpretation of your experience is different from mine and others.

Let's say one gets a volunteer job. He fills the paperwork out, goes for a while, does what he is supposed to do day in and day out for x amount of time. What is the next step afterwards? What are the specific steps one must do to get from a volunteer position to a paid position?

All I'm being told is to volunteer. I assume this is the bottom of the workplace hierarchy. Let's call this level 0 and the most bottom paid position level 1. Now, let's assume there are sub-steps to get from level 0 to level 1. What are these sub-steps exactly? What I'm missing is, is a logical blueprint of the workplace.

It is said that one must keep current in IT. How do I do that? What do I keep current with? What does the average joe do exactly? What are his methods and techniques?



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04 Jan 2015, 7:28 pm

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Let's say one gets a volunteer job. He fills the paperwork out, goes for a while, does what he is supposed to do day in and day out for x amount of time. What is the next step afterwards? What are the specific steps one must do to get from a volunteer position to a paid position?

All I'm being told is to volunteer. I assume this is the bottom of the workplace hierarchy. Let's call this level 0 and the most bottom paid position level 1. Now, let's assume there are sub-steps to get from level 0 to level 1. What are these sub-steps exactly? What I'm missing is, is a logical blueprint of the workplace.


If you are very lucky, they might just offer you a paid position. Stranger things have happened. But mostly likely they won't... in which case, you put your experience on your resume, and use your volunteer boss as a reference, when you apply for other jobs. You can apply for jobs within the same place, or different but related field. OR you even just use your volunteer experience to highlight your general skills. So let's say you volunteered with special basketball for autistic children...which has about as little to do with technology as could be. Is this useful for getting a tech job? Yep! How? Well, to do that volunteer position, you showed that you were punctual, reliable, responsible, able to work independently and as a team, take initiative, and communicate effectively (and probably other things that I haven't thought of). Those are good things for getting jobs. It's preferable for the volunteer experience to correlate directly to your job application, but even if it doesn't, it will still improve your resume, which increases your chances of getting any job.


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04 Jan 2015, 8:56 pm

I don't recall anyone I know who went to college believing that they were definitely going to get a job just by having a college degree. Most people I know spoke their concerns about not being able to get a job after college, while in college. There were jokes about what kind of desperation job one would have to end up doing with a physics degree, e.g. "at least I can go to Iran and make nukes for them".


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04 Jan 2015, 10:13 pm

My sister in law went to school because she wanted a better life for her kids and she truly thought she would get a job but instead she can't even find one because no one will hire her. They want someone with at least two years of experience and she can't just apply out of town and move because she doesn't have any money and now she is overqualified to work.

I also knew someone at work who went to school and she felt she had wasted her time going because she couldn't graduate due to not being able to pass English and she also wanted a better life and thought she could get a job that paid her more so she wouldn't be poor.


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04 Jan 2015, 11:03 pm

I went to college because my parents (and teachers) told me that the best way to get a good job was to have a college degree. And, having a job, was something that was expected of me.

As such, I attended college because it was just something I was “supposed” to do. Fortunately, I enjoyed the learning aspect of college.



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05 Jan 2015, 11:19 am

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I went to college because my parents (and teachers) told me that the best way to get a good job was to have a college degree. And, having a job, was something that was expected of me.

As such, I attended college because it was just something I was “supposed” to do. Fortunately, I enjoyed the learning aspect of college.


I loved the learning experience as well. I was told differently in 10th or 11th grade. I was told it was necessary and vital and if one did not do well on the SAT and get into a good college one would not succeed and do well.

Where I made my mistake like some others did as well was thinking that just because x was necessary to achieve y that it was sufficient to achieve y. What I'm talking about is the critical thinking concepts of necessary vs. sufficient conditions.

Example: If you don't mind League_Girl I will use you and your ex bf as an example. For a time, League_Girl had to take her ex-bf to work at a period of time. For League_Girl's car to start and run it is necessary to have gas. Gas isn't sufficient or will not guarantee the car will start or run. League_Girl has to have other components functioning in her car like the starter or the alternator.

Another Example: When going to work (depending on work) one has to be hygienic. One has to be showered, shaved, clothes pressed, etc It is Sufficient to use VO5 Shampoo but not necessary. One can use other shampoo on one's hair.

What I'm saying is even if college is necessary or best it may not be sufficient enough. With respect to college, maybe it is not always the best way to get a job. Look at my figures on those who graduate and get a job in their field. http://whyifailedinamerica1.wordpress.c ... r-parents/

I used to have a friend who has a knack for working on cars. I got into a little jam and he was able to do something to fix my brakes. My opinion, is he should've went to a trade school to formally get a certificate as an auto technician and really learn how to work on cars not go to college.

Not everyone is college material and this whole idea that everyone should go to college is absurd and does disservice to those who are not cut out for it and has an aptitude in other areas.

Like I said, what we need as a society is more critical analysis and critical thinking of ourselves, who we are, our strengths, and our weaknesses and we need to be able to critically think and critically analyze the external environment as well. We don't need more positive thinking, positive affirmation messages, attitude adjustment or self-esteem improvement courses or motivations. Not only do we need to learn to set goals but we to be able to have goals that mesh with the reality of who we are including but not limited to our passions and external reality as well outside of ourselves.

This is why I'm here asking questions so I can understand reality and myself better. To command nature, one obey it. To obey, one must understand what he is to obey. I am pretty good with programming because I understand the nature of nature of it so I can obey it. By obeying it's rules and laws and syntax I can command it. Now here's the thing, one has to constantly keep current in the IT field. Had I understood this when I went to college on a fundamental level and knowing myself intimately as I do now I probably would have chosen a different field that was more stable and changed very slowly instead of with the wind even if I was good at programming.

My ultimate question is "What do I do now?" To answer this one must understand both himself and reality. That's why I ask questions.



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05 Jan 2015, 11:25 am

Obviously, going to college doesn't guarantee one a job.

But---you have access for more jobs/interviews if you are a college graduate.



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05 Jan 2015, 1:06 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Obviously, going to college doesn't guarantee one a job.

But---you have access for more jobs/interviews if you are a college graduate.


KraftieKortie, maybe, but, not necessarily so.

If this was so obvious, then why did this author write this article especially point #4 at

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-we-r ... eneration/

Why wasn't this obvious to a certain group of people?



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05 Jan 2015, 1:18 pm

Even with critical thinking and planning ahead, there is no way to know eberrything that one wishes one had known in retrospect. If one engaged deeply in that kind of thinking and planning, then one would be spending one's life analyzing endlessly and making no tangible progress towards one's goals. One has to live through eggsperiences, including mistakes, failures, bad decisions, lack of information, bad luck, hostile environment/people, etc. The way that one handles problems as they come up in one's active pursuits is the kind of critical thinking that is needed, not the sit around and think oneself out of doing anything kind.


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05 Jan 2015, 3:13 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Obviously, going to college doesn't guarantee one a job.

But---you have access for more jobs/interviews if you are a college graduate.


KraftieKortie, maybe, but, not necessarily so.

If this was so obvious, then why did this author write this article especially point #4 at

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-we-r ... eneration/

Why wasn't this obvious to a certain group of people?



Cracked is a humorous website so I wouldn't take anything there I read seriously. It's just a snarky site and like a parody making fun of things.

They started out as a magazine and now they do it all online now on their website. It's like Mad Magazine.


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05 Jan 2015, 4:02 pm

League_Girl wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Obviously, going to college doesn't guarantee one a job.

But---you have access for more jobs/interviews if you are a college graduate.


KraftieKortie, maybe, but, not necessarily so.

If this was so obvious, then why did this author write this article especially point #4 at

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-we-r ... eneration/

Why wasn't this obvious to a certain group of people?



Cracked is a humorous website so I wouldn't take anything there I read seriously. It's just a snarky site and like a parody making fun of things.

They started out as a magazine and now they do it all online now on their website. It's like Mad Magazine.



Why can't at times some comedy, snarkiness, and parody be based in some truth? My opinion is that good and quality comedy is based upon a bit of truth.



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05 Jan 2015, 4:21 pm

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Even with critical thinking and planning ahead, there is no way to know eberrything that one wishes one had known in retrospect. If one engaged deeply in that kind of thinking and planning, then one would be spending one's life analyzing endlessly and making no tangible progress towards one's goals. One has to live through eggsperiences, including mistakes, failures, bad decisions, lack of information, bad luck, hostile environment/people, etc. The way that one handles problems as they come up in one's active pursuits is the kind of critical thinking that is needed, not the sit around and think oneself out of doing anything kind.


Let's get this straight of what you're telling me to do. What you're telling me to do is do a figurative form and metaphorical form of high stakes gambling. What you're expecting me to do is is to metaphorically roll the dice with the dice being possibly loaded or fair and simply take a chance on the outcome?

I had a gut feeling that people were asking me to do this. I created a metaphorical model of this scenario that you're proposing to me that is loosely based upon the movie Saw. Here it is right here. It's not meant to be taken literally. There are different types of failure one being failure that leads to one's detriment.

http://whyifailedinamerica1.wordpress.c ... best-move/

This is my reaction right here >>>> 8O 8O



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05 Jan 2015, 4:59 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
Even with critical thinking and planning ahead, there is no way to know eberrything that one wishes one had known in retrospect. If one engaged deeply in that kind of thinking and planning, then one would be spending one's life analyzing endlessly and making no tangible progress towards one's goals. One has to live through eggsperiences, including mistakes, failures, bad decisions, lack of information, bad luck, hostile environment/people, etc. The way that one handles problems as they come up in one's active pursuits is the kind of critical thinking that is needed, not the sit around and think oneself out of doing anything kind.


Let's get this straight of what you're telling me to do. What you're telling me to do is do a figurative form and metaphorical form of high stakes gambling. What you're expecting me to do is is to metaphorically roll the dice with the dice being possibly loaded or fair and simply take a chance on the outcome?

I had a gut feeling that people were asking me to do this. I created a metaphorical model of this scenario that you're proposing to me that is loosely based upon the movie Saw. Here it is right here. It's not meant to be taken literally. There are different types of failure one being failure that leads to one's detriment.

http://whyifailedinamerica1.wordpress.c ... best-move/

This is my reaction right here >>>> 8O 8O


I don't know where you got this idea of high stakes gambling?
That is your own eggstreme interpretation that is inaccurate.

What I mean as things to do is like what I wrote in Temple Grandin eggsample and my list of finding jobs and applying for them that ackshuly occurred in reality, done by me.
Those don't seem like high stakes gambling, as I had little to lose, eggsept not getting a job when I found jobs and applied for them, sometimes in unconventional ways as I learned from Temple Grandin in her book.

You said earlier that you might have to "do certain things without the understanding of components under the hood", and that is more similar to what I mean, that I do things all the time without knowing all details and without having good social skills or understanding of social system at workplace, for eggsample. I think that it would take me an unacceptably long time to figure out all social systems or develop good social skills, so I pursue what I want to do in life without good social foundation.


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05 Jan 2015, 6:34 pm

In other words, people have to sometimes take risks in life.