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04 May 2008, 5:35 pm

Uuuuuummm :oops: :oops:

Scuse me for starting this thread BUT I have devised some unique methods to use with children on the Autistic Spectrum. Now don't get me wrong, I am just a mum ok! Just a single mum in the UK who has hooked up with some experts including Prof Attwood :oops:

We are making huge differences to kids and parents here in a little part of the UK. The methods we use are brand new, free and very very gentle.

We work voluntarily and have a website. We really can help and our methods are all backed up with empirical evidence and all our work is academic research based.

Should I post the link here or should I invite you to pm me if you would like details. It is a mad crazy concept. But one that the kids love, the parents understand and schools can put into place immediately without extra funding.

Sorry if this sounds like bragging. I have not liked to mention it before BUT we are now being approached by national organisations so we must be doing something right.

This is the only forum I have announced this too, so I will leave it to you to ask. My children are transformed. The school is amazing and the comments we get are brilliant. We love these kids and these adults. It is simple honestly!

ANYONE up for it? Noooooo custard pies please!! ! :wink:



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04 May 2008, 8:26 pm

I love your website!

http://www.jelibean.com/ladder/

I think you should add your webite to your profile AND put it in your signature.

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04 May 2008, 9:26 pm

I only did a quick aspie scan of the articles but this is my take.

While the presentation of the ideas seems quite unique most of the ideas seem quite in line with other progressive clinicians. As with most “programs” it lacks the necessary emphasis on the intellectual portion of the training of social skills, which is particularly important to the aspergers end of the spectrum. When social conventions can be broken down into their logical components (to the extent that there is anything logical about them) then the learning and applying these skills intellectually in place of innately is much easier to accomplish and generalization is much more successful. Also when the child “accepts” the logic and impact of the skill, self-motivational drives can often be used in place of artificial rewards.

If you really want to understand the nuances of the spectrum mind then I suggest that you consult with the specialists, those spectrum individuals who have adapted successfully and have a strong self aware understanding of their thought processes and neirovariant differentials between themselves and nearotypicals.

You are on the right track but you are only about 60% of the way there.

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04 May 2008, 9:42 pm

jelibean wrote:
Uuuuuummm :oops: :oops:

Scuse me for starting this thread BUT I have devised some unique methods to use with children on the Autistic Spectrum. Now don't get me wrong, I am just a mum ok! Just a single mum in the UK who has hooked up with some experts including Prof Attwood :oops:

We are making huge differences to kids and parents here in a little part of the UK. The methods we use are brand new, free and very very gentle.

We work voluntarily and have a website. We really can help and our methods are all backed up with empirical evidence and all our work is academic research based.

Should I post the link here or should I invite you to pm me if you would like details. It is a mad crazy concept. But one that the kids love, the parents understand and schools can put into place immediately without extra funding.

Sorry if this sounds like bragging. I have not liked to mention it before BUT we are now being approached by national organisations so we must be doing something right.

This is the only forum I have announced this too, so I will leave it to you to ask. My children are transformed. The school is amazing and the comments we get are brilliant. We love these kids and these adults. It is simple honestly!

ANYONE up for it? Noooooo custard pies please!! ! :wink:


I haven't had the chance to look up your website but I did find one part distressing. Also I firmly believe anything that says works for everyone is wrong by nature you cannot have a single way of doing something that encompasses all learning styles.

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I have not liked to mention it before BUT we are now being approached by national organisations so we must be doing something right.


Being approached by national organizations does not nescarily mean your doing something right. There is alot of misinformation about Asperger's, HFA, and PDD-NOS so in turn national organizations might not nescarily know whats best for a child with those disorders. Not to mention the fact that diagnosis has went up considerably whether that means that people are getting misdiagnosed, the standards of finding such diagnosis have changed to include much more individuals, or if these disorders have become a catch-all diagnosis remains unclear.



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04 May 2008, 10:11 pm

AAAh, you are coming out of the closet, Jellibean. Good!


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05 May 2008, 12:20 am

Would you mind describing some of these methods in a nutshell ie. the general gist of them? And also would you mind saying exactly what to look at on the website as I am too lazy to surf through it all myself, but I am interested. Thanks.



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05 May 2008, 1:18 am

Yes, the problem would be which national organisation. You have too mush sense to be part of a group that says that it SPEAKS for you!! !


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05 May 2008, 5:10 am

Hi everyone and hi Nannarob!! Smelena thank yooooooo toooooooo!! !! ! And for posting the link! I am out of the closet.

Thanks Nannarob for posting. The only reason larger organisations are interested in our work is that it WORKS! We do not charge and we don't work for any other reason than to help others.

Abangyarudo<<<<I haven't had the chance to look up your website but I did find one part distressing.>>>>
Ummm I don't understand, how can you be DISTRESSED when you have not looked at it!?????

We feel that labels for these kids AND adults is a waste of time. WHO wants their child called ODD or DAMP? So we invented Jellybeans for those of us on the spectrum and marshmallows for neurotypicals. It takes the sting out of the spectrum.

The methods we use are GENTLE. they are kind and carefully designed with sensitive little jellybeans are in mind.

We talk to schools and teachers to try and ease the problems of exclusion and detentions. WHY are jellybeans ALWAYS in trouble in one form or another.

To those that are sceptical, fair comment. The only reason I mentioned national organisations is to show you that we are at last being taken seriously.

It is an offer thats all, no need for some to chuck it before they have checked it.

If you don't like what is on offer you can just click off. I am not in this for money so please don't critic me when I don't deserve it. I have slaved for years over this work. Please at least give it a chance. Eh? We welcome suggestions and critic but YOU have to look at it FIRST before writing it off though? please

To those who would like details, just pm me. I am not in the habit of bragging or posting the link but it it available should you need it.

THANKS TO those of you who have supported and encouraged me. I appreciate it. I will not stop trying to make the world a more comfortable safe place for jellybeans!

Anway as NannaRob says I am OUT of the closet. Feel free to pick my brains, I do have some brain ya know!!


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I can assure you our methods are 100% Asperger friendly. My 3rd son is Asperger and we have now ensured his Theory of Mind has been elevated from 1st order to 3rd order in 1yr! Jellyaspies are responding very well too. Jellyaddersa AND Jellyauties too! They are all the same but different.



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05 May 2008, 3:26 pm

jelibean wrote:
Hi everyone and hi Nannarob!! Smelena thank yooooooo toooooooo!! !! ! And for posting the link! I am out of the closet.

Thanks Nannarob for posting. The only reason larger organisations are interested in our work is that it WORKS! We do not charge and we don't work for any other reason than to help others.

Abangyarudo<<<<I haven't had the chance to look up your website but I did find one part distressing.>>>>
Ummm I don't understand, how can you be DISTRESSED when you have not looked at it!?????

We feel that labels for these kids AND adults is a waste of time. WHO wants their child called ODD or DAMP? So we invented Jellybeans for those of us on the spectrum and marshmallows for neurotypicals. It takes the sting out of the spectrum.

The methods we use are GENTLE. they are kind and carefully designed with sensitive little jellybeans are in mind.

We talk to schools and teachers to try and ease the problems of exclusion and detentions. WHY are jellybeans ALWAYS in trouble in one form or another.

To those that are sceptical, fair comment. The only reason I mentioned national organisations is to show you that we are at last being taken seriously.

It is an offer thats all, no need for some to chuck it before they have checked it.

If you don't like what is on offer you can just click off. I am not in this for money so please don't critic me when I don't deserve it. I have slaved for years over this work. Please at least give it a chance. Eh? We welcome suggestions and critic but YOU have to look at it FIRST before writing it off though? please

To those who would like details, just pm me. I am not in the habit of bragging or posting the link but it it available should you need it.

THANKS TO those of you who have supported and encouraged me. I appreciate it. I will not stop trying to make the world a more comfortable safe place for jellybeans!

Anway as NannaRob says I am OUT of the closet. Feel free to pick my brains, I do have some brain ya know!!


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I can assure you our methods are 100% Asperger friendly. My 3rd son is Asperger and we have now ensured his Theory of Mind has been elevated from 1st order to 3rd order in 1yr! Jellyaspies are responding very well too. Jellyaddersa AND Jellyauties too! They are all the same but different.


So your saying the basis of this is inventing terms that do not have negative connotations but I think in the end it may work for some people but if you go saying unique methods that work for everyone its false advertisement. You'd need a decent sampling size with 100% accuracy and I'm sorry it'll never happen. Who cares really about the negative connotations associated with Aspergers and the order disorders listed here? Its another sampling of the fact that people need labels and need to determine values most likely putting themself at the top the difference is your trying to get the sting out of the words maybe it'll be better to just increase awareness those who want to know will listen and the others will cover their ears but in the end the people covering their ears would be the same people rejecting the fact of being compared to a marshmellow. I think the oversimplifing will cause more problems in the long run but I do wish you the best of luck in your endeavor. I've skimmed over this process and it seems your broadly over generalizing the exact reason it won't work.

I did not have problems in school, I did not get in trouble when I was younger. Only problems I had I would have had with or without asperger's in the end instead of using the advice given here you've been writing it off as insults which will stop you from progressing this to where it can help more people. Have fun and take care good luck in your endeavor.



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05 May 2008, 5:35 pm

Abangyarudo wrote:
jelibean wrote:
Hi everyone and hi Nannarob!! Smelena thank yooooooo toooooooo!! !! ! And for posting the link! I am out of the closet.

Thanks Nannarob for posting. The only reason larger organisations are interested in our work is that it WORKS! We do not charge and we don't work for any other reason than to help others.

Abangyarudo<<<<I haven't had the chance to look up your website but I did find one part distressing.>>>>
Ummm I don't understand, how can you be DISTRESSED when you have not looked at it!?????

We feel that labels for these kids AND adults is a waste of time. WHO wants their child called ODD or DAMP? So we invented Jellybeans for those of us on the spectrum and marshmallows for neurotypicals. It takes the sting out of the spectrum.

The methods we use are GENTLE. they are kind and carefully designed with sensitive little jellybeans are in mind.

We talk to schools and teachers to try and ease the problems of exclusion and detentions. WHY are jellybeans ALWAYS in trouble in one form or another.

To those that are sceptical, fair comment. The only reason I mentioned national organisations is to show you that we are at last being taken seriously.

It is an offer thats all, no need for some to chuck it before they have checked it.

If you don't like what is on offer you can just click off. I am not in this for money so please don't critic me when I don't deserve it. I have slaved for years over this work. Please at least give it a chance. Eh? We welcome suggestions and critic but YOU have to look at it FIRST before writing it off though? please

To those who would like details, just pm me. I am not in the habit of bragging or posting the link but it it available should you need it.

THANKS TO those of you who have supported and encouraged me. I appreciate it. I will not stop trying to make the world a more comfortable safe place for jellybeans!

Anway as NannaRob says I am OUT of the closet. Feel free to pick my brains, I do have some brain ya know!!


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I can assure you our methods are 100% Asperger friendly. My 3rd son is Asperger and we have now ensured his Theory of Mind has been elevated from 1st order to 3rd order in 1yr! Jellyaspies are responding very well too. Jellyaddersa AND Jellyauties too! They are all the same but different.


So your saying the basis of this is inventing terms that do not have negative connotations but I think in the end it may work for some people but if you go saying unique methods that work for everyone its false advertisement. You'd need a decent sampling size with 100% accuracy and I'm sorry it'll never happen. Who cares really about the negative connotations associated with Aspergers and the order disorders listed here? Its another sampling of the fact that people need labels and need to determine values most likely putting themself at the top the difference is your trying to get the sting out of the words maybe it'll be better to just increase awareness those who want to know will listen and the others will cover their ears but in the end the people covering their ears would be the same people rejecting the fact of being compared to a marshmellow. I think the oversimplifing will cause more problems in the long run but I do wish you the best of luck in your endeavor. I've skimmed over this process and it seems your broadly over generalizing the exact reason it won't work.

I did not have problems in school, I did not get in trouble when I was younger. Only problems I had I would have had with or without asperger's in the end instead of using the advice given here you've been writing it off as insults which will stop you from progressing this to where it can help more people. Have fun and take care good luck in your endeavor.


Thank you for both your good wishes and your observations. I have to agree to disagree although I find your comments both interesting and structured. You are fortunate in not having problems at school. Also you did not get into trouble. These sadly are two areas that many jellybeans do find themselves in. Oppostional Defiance Disorder and CD on top of a spectrum condition drown out whatever is lying beneath it.

Our secret is to prevent ODD from rearing its ugly head and then when it does know how to deal with it effectively. Once Conduct Disorder is present life takes on a whole new dimension for many of these kids. We need to enusure that if signs are present we take steps to correct it.

These kids and adults are largely overhwhelmed with professionals or underwhelmed by the amount of support or advice that they don't get!

I get too many parents knocking at my door all to ready to give up. Pulling our their hair and not knowing what to do next. We merely aim to make the journey a little more palatable and understandable. We believe it takes a jellybean to make a jellybaby. It is much kinder and gentler to break it to a parent by telling them they MAY be a jellybean too.

I hope we can win you round in time. Of course it is a broad statement to say these methods work for everyone BUT if you look at our website I would hope you would agree there is something for everyone. There are hints and tips that can make life easier. I do not know one jellybean who has not been helped from Talking in Pictures. Maybe you should try it? There are many hints and tips on our website. The idea is to grab the ones that work and chuck out the ones that don't.

Many of us are at our wits end and anything new that is free and easy to understand is surely worth a go? I hope some of you at least take from it what is intended which is Tender Loving Care for Jellybeans everywhere.

SORRY we can't provide statistics and techie lab results. We are just a couple of women in the UK that think they can help. No probs if we can't what have you lost? Nothing! Try and see. You may like it after all.! :wink:



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06 May 2008, 10:25 pm

Your work and support is defiantly valuable for many parents, children, educators and clinicians. It is clear that you “get it” to a much greater extent than most clinicians in the field.

I am technical by nature, what a surprise. So I always provide both the positive and negatives. Just keep gaining insight because there are still major gaps in a complete understanding of key components of the spectrum puzzle which for some reason seam to elude clinicians, even though they are quite obvious to self realized aspies.

Keep up the good work

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07 May 2008, 2:11 am

:oops: :oops: Thank you so much for those comments bookwormde!

We feel deep inside that we do know what makes a jellybean tick and what makes a jellybean happy.

I agree that the clinicians are just not hitting the spot. I hope we are getting much closer.

Many thanks for the encouragement. Anyone need any help or if there is anything I can do just YELL!!

We are looking to lecture so if anyone can help or pass the word we would be very grateful!!



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07 May 2008, 4:16 pm

I read your post on meltdowns last week and really appreciated it. I thought it was a well thought out way to explain what appears to be simply crazy behaviour. I particularly like the staged action steps. If the rest of your stuff is like that (I'm still reading, but I like "Language 11") it could be the foundations of a useful set of instruction guides for people. I always wanted written instructions. :D

It might be helpful to categorize your articles into things for parents/teachers versus things for jellybeans. You can always put a disclaimer that just because it was written for one audience doesn't mean that it shouldn't be read/used by another audience.

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07 May 2008, 5:08 pm

Thank you AnnieDog for your comments, it is great to hear such lovely words!

Yes I agree the format has to be jiggled a lot. We only intended actually doing the website so that we had a shop window to show professionals. It was intended as a taster. Now though I completely agree it needs to be a different format.

Thanks so much, it really helps to get your suggestions, keep them coming. Glad we could help! :wink: :wink: :wink:



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26 Oct 2009, 8:22 pm

Hiya I am back over a year on and Jelibean is growing. :D
We have a new look website...hope you like it and find it easier to navigate! Let me know all your comments and if there is anything you don't like or would like to change we would be happy to oblige!

And please check out David my son, you will find him under the heading of Giant Jellybeans.....he is a savant guitarist and I am sooo proud of him.... Aspie brilliance at its best.

We are having an international conference with 4 expert professors in attendance (Prof Attwood being one!! )Whooohoo oooh and I have now qualified from Birmingham university with a Post Grad Cert Autism Children....had to defer a year from my MEd as couldn't afford the fees :cry:

Anyway hope you enjoy :D
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27 Oct 2009, 6:18 am

Its all good but... how the hell are you talking? Jelly?? If my mother ever tried to make me understand things with "jellies" I should have changed family. And yes... I'm Aspie.
Logic works and not all the Aspie/Autie thinks in pictures. Learning style are different amoung the spectrum, actually there is more difference inside the spectrum than outside it. I don't want to be rude... but jellies?? Also all that colors in the website make my eyes cry out aloud.


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