Are there any NTs who'll help out w/ the asperger predictor?

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12 Apr 2011, 10:32 pm

Hello all, I'm desperately needing test data from people who are not autistic in order to make the aspergers prediction calculator accurate. If you aren't autistic, please help by taking the tests at the following link and reporting their scores (If you haves aspergers or some form of autism, then your scores would still help!). If you don't have the time for more than a few quizzes, then scores from the AQ and the Aspie/Neurotypical quizzes would be most appreciated!

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt157848.html



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14 Apr 2011, 6:03 pm

I will help out.

But it has to wait until this weekend.

Getting ready for a meeting with the Executive Director of Special Education for our district tomorrow!


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15 Apr 2011, 1:35 am

I would have been happy to help, but since joining Wrong Planet I have started to confirm I may be an AS. Suspecting other borderline NT/AS cases attracted to this forum may find themselves in the same boat....just thought I'd mention it as it might be a confounding factor if you recruit NTs on this forum.

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15 Apr 2011, 1:57 am

Thanks for the expressed interest in helping out!

And, as far as the confounding factor, it's being controlled. :wink: (Basically, those borderline cases are expressed in the correlations which doesn't change the weighting coefficients.)



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15 Apr 2011, 2:21 am

cyberdad wrote:
I would have been happy to help, but since joining Wrong Planet I have started to confirm I may be an AS. Suspecting other borderline NT/AS cases attracted to this forum may find themselves in the same boat....just thought I'd mention it as it might be a confounding factor if you recruit NTs on this forum.

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I think this going to be the problem with this solicitation to parents here. The more we learn, the less sure we tend to become about our own status. I'm not sure very many of us accurately know if we're really NT or not!


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15 Apr 2011, 2:23 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
I would have been happy to help, but since joining Wrong Planet I have started to confirm I may be an AS. Suspecting other borderline NT/AS cases attracted to this forum may find themselves in the same boat....just thought I'd mention it as it might be a confounding factor if you recruit NTs on this forum.

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I think this going to be the problem with this solicitation to parents here. The more we learn, the less sure we tend to become about our own status. I'm not sure very many of us accurately know if we're really NT or not!


Exactly!



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15 Apr 2011, 3:01 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
I would have been happy to help, but since joining Wrong Planet I have started to confirm I may be an AS. Suspecting other borderline NT/AS cases attracted to this forum may find themselves in the same boat....just thought I'd mention it as it might be a confounding factor if you recruit NTs on this forum.

Cheers...


I think this going to be the problem with this solicitation to parents here. The more we learn, the less sure we tend to become about our own status. I'm not sure very many of us accurately know if we're really NT or not!


:D

I agree. I'd ask the general population before asking folks who hang out here for help with this one. :lol:



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15 Apr 2011, 8:59 am

Thank you all for the concern, but that really isn't a problem as the statistical analysis doesn't require that every person be certain of their aspergers status and the amount of 'known aspergers' cases and 'known neurotypical' cases is large enough to interpolate for borderline cases. More data never hurts! (It would actually really help!) :D



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15 Apr 2011, 10:55 am

swbluto wrote:
Thank you all for the concern, but that really isn't a problem as the statistical analysis doesn't require that every person be certain of their aspergers status and the amount of 'known aspergers' cases and 'known neurotypical' cases is large enough to interpolate for borderline cases. More data never hurts! (It would actually really help!) :D


I guess the issue that people are trying to point out is that it's unlikely that you will find ANY fully NT people, and certainly not a statistically significant sample here. This is a parenting forum for a condition whose primary influence is genetic; while what you say may be true of the general public, if this (or other parenting forums) is your primary source of NTs, your data will be skewed.

I would also suggest that many people who are interested in the autism spectrum, and who would be willing to participate probably are interested because they have personal experience via a blood relative who is on the spectrum...which would put you back in the same situation.

Somehow, you need a more random way to find participants to make sure NTs are represented. Maybe post a request on Twitter? You'll have to find a hashtag that will both get attention and get the kinds of responses you want.



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16 Apr 2011, 3:53 am

swbluto wrote:
Thanks for the expressed interest in helping out!

And, as far as the confounding factor, it's being controlled. :wink: (Basically, those borderline cases are expressed in the correlations which doesn't change the weighting coefficients.)


ummm you are planning to do a comparison of traits in categorical groups (Chi Square?)? if so the WP forum NT volunteers should to be a separate cohort from the Control NT group. I agree with Momsparky that your recruitment of NTs should be random sample of volunteers who are blind to the purpose of the study other than having no diagnosed mental disorder (according to DSMIV).

There is reasonable evidence to suggest that if you advertise your study - the NT's who sign up have an interest because a) they have a blood relation with ASD or b) they may think they are NT but have ASd traits that make them curious about the study.



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17 Apr 2011, 3:31 pm

For those curious about how the study is being carried out, one can check it out at http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt158261.html.



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17 Apr 2011, 3:32 pm

Hello all and thanks to all those who've participated! Using the data gathered from the first round of testing, it was found which tests were most closely associated with aspergers and which ones weren't, and the "core tests" list on the testing thread has been updated to reflect that. If you've already taken a few of the tests, it'd be extremely helpful if you could take the newly added tests to the "core tests" list so that the model can be improved in the second round. Thanks once again!