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08 Feb 2010, 11:08 am

A recent study in California came out that says that mothers over 40 have a higher chance of having a child with autism. I am just curious, if anyone feels comfortable posting the age they were when they had their child or children.



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08 Feb 2010, 11:38 am

I heard that men over age 40 who have kids are more likely to have kids with mental illness (broad). My mother was 38 when she had me, and my dad was 44.


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08 Feb 2010, 11:51 am

i'm not a parent, but likely have AS (and/or am NLD). i've been wondering about this---someone mentioned that higher age of mother and C-section birth may be related to AS. i googled it and did find an article or two.

but anyway---my mother was 44, and i was born by c-section.



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08 Feb 2010, 12:57 pm

I was twenty four when my son was born. My mum was twenty four when I was born. Her Mum was twenty two when she was born.

At least my son and I are both on the spectrum. My mother may have been undiagnosed... she had a very high IQ but social difficulties and depression. She killed herself in her early forties.

Age of mother doesn't seem to be a factor in our family.



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08 Feb 2010, 12:59 pm

I think the question that has been raised here is cause and effect, or chicken and egg. People with Aspie traits tend to marry and have children at later ages because, as most of us parents have seen, Aspies tend to be on a different maturation curve when it comes to anything with a social aspect to it, which dating, marriage and children certainly have a social aspect.

I was married for the first time at 36 and had my AS child at 38. My NT child was born a few months short of my 42 birthday. But, more importantly, I certainly carry AS genes (even if I am probably more NT than AS), and my husband carries AS genes. In both our families, with many members likely to have AS genes, there is a history of marrying late in comparison to the norms of the times.

So ... is it the age that is causing the AS births, or the prior existence of AS or AS aspects in the parents that is causing the later age for the births?


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08 Feb 2010, 1:10 pm

My parents were both young, 17 and 20. I have also read that being first born puts you at greater risk of autism but there wasn't anything else written to substantiate, just a list of risk factors.



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08 Feb 2010, 1:29 pm

Parents were both in their mid-to-later 30's when I was born. There was a study at Arizona State that found four statistically significant trends (although unsubstantiated - just apparent in raw data), including maternal fish consumption during pregnancy and pica as noticeably and seemingly connected, although how they are related is not clear.

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Exposure to Heavy Metals, Physical Symptoms, and Developmental Milestones in Children with Autism
J.B. Adams, C.E. Holloway, M. Margolis, F. George


Summary: A questionnaire was used to assess heavy metal exposure in the mothers of children with autistic spectrum disorders (ASD) vs. controls. Four exposures were found to be statistically significant, including maternal seafood consumption, oral antibiotic use (which greatly decreases excretion of mercury), adverse reactions to vaccinations (many of which contain thimerosal), and pica (which leads to increased consumption of heavy metals).

Several major physical problems were much more common and severe in the ASD population, including chronic gastrointestinal problems, sleep problems, excessive ear infections, low muscle tone, and excessive salivation/drooling.

Finally, 62% of the children with ASD were reported to have developed normally, with normal developmental milestones, and then had a major regression at an average age of 18 months.


http://www.eas.asu.edu/~autism/Research/Completed.html

For the record, I do not believe that mercury causes autism - period. I don't think that there is a relationship between vaccines and ASDs. I can acknowledge that it may play a role in triggering the condition or determining severity, but there is nothing conclusive to indicate that is the case. If anything I would be more concerned about environmental exposure and through fish and other foods... but that would be as a general health risk and not ASD related in my opinion. Just an interesting bit of research.


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08 Feb 2010, 1:50 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
I think the question that has been raised here is cause and effect, or chicken and egg. People with Aspie traits tend to marry and have children at later ages because, as most of us parents have seen, Aspies tend to be on a different maturation curve when it comes to anything with a social aspect to it, which dating, marriage and children certainly have a social aspect.

I was married for the first time at 36 and had my AS child at 38. My NT child was born a few months short of my 42 birthday. But, more importantly, I certainly carry AS genes (even if I am probably more NT than AS), and my husband carries AS genes. In both our families, with many members likely to have AS genes, there is a history of marrying late in comparison to the norms of the times.

So ... is it the age that is causing the AS births, or the prior existence of AS or AS aspects in the parents that is causing the later age for the births?


that's interesting. i hadn't thought of that. but it makes sense to me--i think my mom was pretty AS (and/or NLD). she'd had marriage proposals at a young age, but was so challenged in terms of reading social cues that she didn't even realize they were proposals until having reflected on them for years. :).

someone mentioned c-section in relation to ASD because of some link to sensory processing disorder---that the birth canal experience seemed pretty important to sensory integration. (it was on a parents' discussion thread.) for some reason, that caught my eye.



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08 Feb 2010, 2:14 pm

exhausted wrote:

someone mentioned c-section in relation to ASD because of some link to sensory processing disorder---that the birth canal experience seemed pretty important to sensory integration. (it was on a parents' discussion thread.) for some reason, that caught my eye.


That may have been me, as my AS son was an emergency C. It isn't universal, but I wonder if it changes the odds or depth with some of the components? It would be interesting to gather some stats on it.

In my mother's group, all the emergency C kids ended up having some learning disability, and only one of the normal births did.


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08 Feb 2010, 2:17 pm

My Aspie son was born naturally when I was 29.



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08 Feb 2010, 3:31 pm

I had also previously read that men over 40 had more of a chance of having an autistic child. But the article I read today stated that they think it is the mother. I was 40 when my son was born, and my husband was 41. I also had 2 miscarriages at age 42, so I thought that there was probably some genetic abnormality.

As far as seafood consumption, I do not care much for fish, but I had tuna fish maybe 3 times during my whole pregnancy, and did not eat it at all when I breastfed. I had read about the mercury concern. There was a lady I met at a parenting class that had a relative that ate a whole can of tuna every day with both of her pregnancies and both of her children were autistic. I guess she did not know about the mercury issue. The heavy metals link is concerning to me, although I have not had my son tested for any metals.

I am curious about the age thing though, I hope we get a lot more posts on this subject!



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08 Feb 2010, 4:22 pm

My mother was just about 40 when I was born, my dad is about 5 years older. I was a breach, and therefore a section. Only child.


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08 Feb 2010, 4:36 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
exhausted wrote:

someone mentioned c-section in relation to ASD because of some link to sensory processing disorder---that the birth canal experience seemed pretty important to sensory integration. (it was on a parents' discussion thread.) for some reason, that caught my eye.


That may have been me, as my AS son was an emergency C. It isn't universal, but I wonder if it changes the odds or depth with some of the components? It would be interesting to gather some stats on it.

In my mother's group, all the emergency C kids ended up having some learning disability, and only one of the normal births did.



i did find an article on this, and the researchers pretty much came to the same conclusion you did---c-section doesn't cause autism, but it may have something to do with presenting greater challenges to spectrumites who are delivered by c-section. (i wonder if that leads to a higher degree of diagnosis among those born by c-section, and then this is the link between the high proportion? anyhow... :) :)

anyway, i hope it's okay. but if you're interested, here's a link:


http://www.webmd.com/parenting/news/200 ... h-problems



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08 Feb 2010, 4:46 pm

I forgot to mention that my son was born naturally with no epidural.



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08 Feb 2010, 5:10 pm

I was 40 when my AS daughter was born .She was an emergency C section. The doctor said her head was wedged like a cork in a bottle.I have two older daughters both NT born naturely.



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08 Feb 2010, 6:06 pm

Hmm, now that I think of it, while there was no birth trauma per se, my son was born at 35 weeks, after a partial placental abruption two weeks earlier. However, I know a fair amount of premature kids and emergency C-section babies socially, and only one of them has any challenges. He's got ADHD, and knowing his parents, I wouldn't expect him NOT to have it. (Not a slam, there's just a family history of behavioral disorders.)

If you apply Occam's Razor, when you look at causes for various other conditions without an obvious cause such as hypoxia, genetics (whether a hereditary propensity or something related to aging gametes) are often at play; birth trauma, not so much. Of course it would be interesting to see someone do a study on birth trauma. However, given that a majority of people with a kid on the spectrum, when they look back at their family history, begin finding all kinds of stories and examples of possible ASD, so my money's on genetics.