getting aspie kids to do chores/find job

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04 Jul 2010, 11:26 am

My two aspie teens have basically had the same list of things to do every day for...years? and they still never do the chores without being told. Let's concentrate on my 18 year old. For summer, she needs to get the game room cleaned up by noon or no computer/wii for the day. She doesn't do the work. She said it's just not motivation enough to do it. Now, she has nothing else to get as a privilege. She doesn't care about clothes, money. I don't have any money anyway to reward her with.

I'm very worried about her. She has no desire to do chores for reward, take a shower without being told, brush her teeth. How is she going to be able to work at a job if she has no motivation???? Her grades in school are low. She has a learning disability.

I'm having her fill out a job application every day. I want her to work, but at least she is doing this first step.

She does volunteer work, but needs more of it. What do I do with her? She refuses to apply to a fast food, cashier job....hard to find a job that she can fit in to.



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04 Jul 2010, 11:27 am

Oh, I forgot to mention that after 12, I get on her case to do the work and she does it, slowly, as long as I keep on her. So, she does the work, but gets no computer/wii!! !!



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04 Jul 2010, 11:34 am

My Aspies have AD(H)D. Without their pills they are pretty hopeless about getting things done. Eldest can't take his pills anymore because they agravate another medical problem he's got. I have to stand over him to get him to do anything and his room is pretty hopeless. Middle Son can do chores and keep his room in a reasonable state if he has his Adderal. Without that he can't remember what he's doing long enough to tie his shoes. He much prefers life with Adderal and I suspect he'll take it all his life. His ADD is extreme and he just hates it.



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04 Jul 2010, 11:57 am

Not picking up after yourself or bathing has absolutely nothing to do with Autism. Its simple sloth, so don't pretend or allow them to pretend they can't help it because of a disability. These are preschool skills that should be automatic by adolescence.

Jobs - I promise you an Aspergian will not be able to hold a job as a cashier, or in any capacity in the fast food industry for more than a couple of weeks, and that's if they WANT the job. Unless you find something that fully engages them as a special interest, the stress level of functioning in a socially oriented work environment will overwhelm them in no time at all. Look for something quiet, that allows them to work alone and unsupervised as much as possible, in a fairly set and predictable routine.

Even so, don't expect miracles. I had a 35 year career working mostly alone in a closed room, playing music, and I still managed to be so bad at social interaction and following rules that I got fired every 15-18 months like clockwork.



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04 Jul 2010, 12:11 pm

Why not take it from an aspie point of view?

When I was younger (I'm 18 now) I wouldn't do anything I was supposed to do, unless I was told several times, or was being watched over. My mother was doing everything she can to learn about AS managed to get inside my mind, so to speak. She managed to find something I like more than anything else (Without having any friends at those times) and she took it away. It may be mean, but I finally got the message. It took me 6 years to learn to like being indoors, but then I never wanted to go outside. An aspie is extremely good at focusing on one thing, but only if they are highly interested. However, I figured that if I could use it when I needed it, I could do a lot more than the interesting stuff, and it worked. That's how I graduated High School... ON TIME! Wierd, huh?

Have them focus on themselves rather than other things, and they may get bored with that and move to other things. On the flip side, They may not get tired of themselves. If they can see themselves from an outside view, they may try to catch themselves in the act and try to change themselves. That's what happened to me and I figure it may work for your children as well.



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04 Jul 2010, 12:16 pm

epril wrote:
she needs to get the game room cleaned up by noon or no computer/wii for the day. She doesn't do the work. She said it's just not motivation enough to do it. Now, she has nothing else to get as a privilege. She doesn't care about clothes, money. I don't have any money anyway to reward her with.


how about.... not giving her a reward? chores are chores, they are things we do to contribute to the household, to pay for our room and board. they are not things we do to get extra privileges. so perhaps try changing it up. instead of, if you dont do the chore you get no privileges, try, if you dont do the chore you get MORE CHORES.

do you use a visual chore chart? that can sometimes be easier for them when its laid out as a list of things that must be done. i have to put the very basics on there as my boys will completely go without even putting on clothes if they are not monitored. you can even include times things must be done, and if she has a cell phone with an alarm timer, set it to go off when its time for certain things. aspies really do benefit from schedules, so if she doesnt have one, it may be one reason she isnt accomplishing anything.



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04 Jul 2010, 1:18 pm

azurecrayon wrote:
try, if you dont do the chore you get MORE CHORES.


This part make no sense, for why would someone refusing to do the first chores would do the punishment chores ?

But other then that I agree that at her age she should head toward having chores done because it is needed, cause that part of the ability to live on her own. But starting with scheduled chores along her would be the best for a start, in other word try to include her to help along your own chores, that way she might learn to be more efficient by seeing how you do it and could practice skill like cooking which will help if she ever happen to live on her own.


For the job related part, what does she like to do ? Finding a job related to her interest would be the best, else a low pressure job would be next best choice, else the stress of the work might just overwhelm her. Maybe see with library in your town, most library tend to have a calm atmosphere.



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04 Jul 2010, 1:51 pm

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azurecrayon wrote:
try, if you dont do the chore you get MORE CHORES.


This part make no sense, for why would someone refusing to do the first chores would do the punishment chores ?


with kids, its about motivators. its about finding what form of currency they are willing to trade in. for most kids, that currency is privileges and they will do the work to earn them. if you can find what a kid really likes, you can get them to do what you want them to.

for some kids, common motivators dont work. my oldest is one of those, like the OPs daughter he will choose to lose privileges rather than do the chores, not even money gets him moving. in his mind, the cost analysis ends up being privileges < chores. so you have to find what is worth more than chores. in his case, less chores > more chores, so he will do the original chores to keep from having to do more.



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04 Jul 2010, 2:53 pm

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iniudan wrote:
azurecrayon wrote:
try, if you dont do the chore you get MORE CHORES.


This part make no sense, for why would someone refusing to do the first chores would do the punishment chores ?


with kids, its about motivators. its about finding what form of currency they are willing to trade in. for most kids, that currency is privileges and they will do the work to earn them. if you can find what a kid really likes, you can get them to do what you want them to.

for some kids, common motivators dont work. my oldest is one of those, like the OPs daughter he will choose to lose privileges rather than do the chores, not even money gets him moving. in his mind, the cost analysis ends up being privileges < chores. so you have to find what is worth more than chores. in his case, less chores > more chores, so he will do the original chores to keep from having to do more.



Never said it doesn't work, but still make no logical sense, for only thing that make such coercion work is the fear of punishment, but since the punishment in this situation require the person to be willful to be applied the coercion break on the moment the person oppose it if there is no application of some other form of coercion.

Most chance it would never work on adult subject on full possession of their will and mental capability. Remember the OP speak about a 18 years old girl not a 6 years old kid.



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04 Jul 2010, 7:43 pm

Maybe she is depressed.



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04 Jul 2010, 7:50 pm

Being the sloth mom that I am, I haven't been forcing my kids to do chores. Am I worried they won't be able to stand on their own? Actually, no. They contribute when it's important to them, and at some point in everyone's life comes the realization that making a living and having a nice home is important. For someone who may find chores overwhelming (as some AS do, and as I personally do), the only motivation that really works is internal. You can't make it happen; it has to come on it's own.

Remember that your teenager is likely to be developmentally behind her peers when it comes to organization, responsibility, and other skills required to organize, clean or hold down a job. That doesn't mean she'll never get those skills; it just means that you may have to adjust your expectations.

Plus, AS kids and adults often need a LOT more downtime than average. That has to built into their days or they won't be able to accomplish much of anything.

My suggestion is to come up with a list of reasonable alternatives and tell her that she must pick one, it is expected, it is her "job." Choice is important, especially to AS kids, who have a need to feel in control. My kids (one AS, one NT) understand that their "job" is to go to school and learn, and generally be a contributing part of the family. If everyone isn't doing their job, the family cannot function in a happy and positive way. And, well, they much prefer the family to function in a happy and positive way, and have figured out that when they don't do their part, it all kind of snowballs downhill from there. I've sometimes just let things take that natural downhill course, and they do NOT like it, which leaves me that experience to remind them of. It works.

Do consider the possibility of depression, mentioned by the previous poster, because depression makes it pretty much impossible to care about anything, or find the motivation to do anything. No amount of badgering or logic will change it; it all just makes it worse.


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05 Jul 2010, 1:24 am

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Maybe she is depressed.


I wonder about that. She is taking a low dose of celexa.



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05 Jul 2010, 1:26 am

Kiley wrote:
My Aspies have AD(H)D. Without their pills they are pretty hopeless about getting things done. Eldest can't take his pills anymore because they agravate another medical problem he's got. I have to stand over him to get him to do anything and his room is pretty hopeless. Middle Son can do chores and keep his room in a reasonable state if he has his Adderal. Without that he can't remember what he's doing long enough to tie his shoes. He much prefers life with Adderal and I suspect he'll take it all his life. His ADD is extreme and he just hates it.


She does have ADD too. Not on meds. I think her doc didn't want her on ritalin and celexa at same time...will have to revisit this.



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05 Jul 2010, 1:30 am

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Not picking up after yourself or bathing has absolutely nothing to do with Autism. Its simple sloth, so don't pretend or allow them to pretend they can't help it because of a disability. These are preschool skills that should be automatic by adolescence.

Jobs - I promise you an Aspergian will not be able to hold a job as a cashier, or in any capacity in the fast food industry for more than a couple of weeks, and that's if they WANT the job. Unless you find something that fully engages them as a special interest, the stress level of functioning in a socially oriented work environment will overwhelm them in no time at all. Look for something quiet, that allows them to work alone and unsupervised as much as possible, in a fairly set and predictable routine.

Even so, don't expect miracles. I had a 35 year career working mostly alone in a closed room, playing music, and I still managed to be so bad at social interaction and following rules that I got fired every 15-18 months like clockwork.


Actually not picking up after yourself and not bathing are common problems associated with Aspergers. I just wish I knew what to do to turn the switch on so she did take pride in these things. Finding a job for her is tricky and tough because she won't try for the easy jobs, like fast food. Yes, I know she should find something she is interested in. Just hard to get. What kind of jobs are out there for someone who doesn't want to deal with people, and isn't self-motivated???



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05 Jul 2010, 1:33 am

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epril wrote:
she needs to get the game room cleaned up by noon or no computer/wii for the day. She doesn't do the work. She said it's just not motivation enough to do it. Now, she has nothing else to get as a privilege. She doesn't care about clothes, money. I don't have any money anyway to reward her with.


how about.... not giving her a reward? chores are chores, they are things we do to contribute to the household, to pay for our room and board. they are not things we do to get extra privileges. so perhaps try changing it up. instead of, if you dont do the chore you get no privileges, try, if you dont do the chore you get MORE CHORES.

do you use a visual chore chart? that can sometimes be easier for them when its laid out as a list of things that must be done. i have to put the very basics on there as my boys will completely go without even putting on clothes if they are not monitored. you can even include times things must be done, and if she has a cell phone with an alarm timer, set it to go off when its time for certain things. aspies really do benefit from schedules, so if she doesnt have one, it may be one reason she isnt accomplishing anything.


Normally she has scheduled chores that I need to remind her to do,. I was just trying to get her to do the chores on her own, without me telling her. I thought this might motivate her to get them done without being asked, but it does not work.



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05 Jul 2010, 12:00 pm

epril wrote:
Actually not picking up after yourself and not bathing are common problems associated with Aspergers. I just wish I knew what to do to turn the switch on so she did take pride in these things.

Good luck with that. I'm 50, it's 1pm and I haven't had my morning shower yet, and the floor of my office is littered with papers and half open boxes. I'd love for things to be neat, but not so much that it's worth doing the required work to neaten up.

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Finding a job for her is tricky and tough because she won't try for the easy jobs, like fast food. Yes, I know she should find something she is interested in. Just hard to get.

There are very few people who get to work in jobs they actually enjoy; the reason people pay for work is to get the stuff done that they want done, not the stuff that the employees would like to do. Sometimes aspies have to do things that aren't their current special interest, or figure out how to take an interest in something they don't have an interest in at first.

What reasons does she give for not wanting to work in fast food? Being a busboy, then dishwasher, then cook worked well for me in high school - I didn't have to do customer facing jobs. Nor am I certain that taking orders at McDonald's counts as "social interaction".