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02 Sep 2010, 11:06 am

I am wondering if anyone here limits the EMFs in their home and if it has had any significant positive health impact on their family? If you do limit the EMFs in your home, what specifically do you do besides unplug everything?



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02 Sep 2010, 11:36 am

Do you mean electromagnetic fields?

Those dont affect people in any meaningful ways unless you start getting into the millions of guass. And at that point the nails in your framing would rip out before you would experience any noticeable effects. Humans really aren't affected by EMF, especially the weak ones generated by TVs, computers, or other typical sources in the home. The idea that EMF is harmful to you is just an urban legend, similar to the 'cell phones destroy your brain' rumor.


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02 Sep 2010, 11:52 am

Tracker wrote:
Do you mean electromagnetic fields?

Those dont affect people in any meaningful ways unless you start getting into the millions of guass. And at that point the nails in your framing would rip out before you would experience any noticeable effects. Humans really aren't affected by EMF, especially the weak ones generated by TVs, computers, or other typical sources in the home. The idea that EMF is harmful to you is just an urban legend, similar to the 'cell phones destroy your brain' rumor.


Ah, but Tracker, they are re-thinking the cell phone thing, aren't they?

There is no proof of harm from EMF's, I know that, but who knows what goes on with any one unique individual? If a family wants to limit their exposure, I think it falls in the "can't hurt" category. Well, as long as they don't have a child that needs to sit in front of his computer to self-calm, as some AS kids do.

What sprung to my mind reading the first post was that the constant noise (that some AS hear but few NT's do) and lights from having so much stuff plugged in all the time (as so many of us do) is probably the bigger issue with our sensory sensitive AS kids than the EMF's. But, same conclusion, right? UNPLUG.

My husband had our house tested for some emission coming up from the ground ... radiation? I swear, I must be going senile, I can never remember ANYTHING anymore. Anyway, he got very worried after his sister got cancer because they had actually grown up in an area known for it's high emissions. Who knows what is connected to what, really ... In the end, I think we all follow common sense: limit exposure to as much non-natural occurrences as possible. Watch for the chemicals in your cleaners, in your clothes (fire retardants), etc. But, keep it all in balance, because some chemicals and modern introductions have definitely saved us from other things.


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02 Sep 2010, 12:46 pm

http://www.epa.gov/radon/

More than likely your house was tested for Radon--there is no question that high levels of ionizing radiation is bad.

In theory, concrete and steel buildings offer excellent shielding from EMF--cell phone reception is typically quite bad. But, there is 60Hz EMF created by all the wiring for lighting inside those buildings. Not to mention the known issues with the artificial light since you no longer have natural light.



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02 Sep 2010, 12:53 pm

EMFs do cause changes in biological processes in humans. Natural EMFs and EMFs from man-made sources both cause changes. It is not known if life-long exposure causes harm and there are not enough studies to say either way.

I am buying an EMF detector to test my home. I just moved about 4 months ago. Since I moved we have encountered major battery drain on all our battery-operated devices (camera, remotes, wall lights, toys, etc...). No matter what brand of batteries I purchase, they have a short battery life. We do not live near any more electrical wires than before. I really want to figure out what is going on. The battery drain is significant enough for me to notice and wonder about it.

I was doing research on causes of battery drain and found out that EMFs can cause it, but only if they are significant. This got me looking into other stuff, like health concerns related to EMFs. This of course led me to the research done on EMFs and cancer and lukemia, which then led me to studies on EMFs and autism.

Some have linked autism to a combination of the Hep B vaccine and increased low frequency EMFs over the decades. I wasn't looking to ask if anyone thinks EMFs cause autism or related disorders (I'd probably get crucified...lol), but since a lot of people on here are exceptionally health and mind concious about food, noise, environment, etc...I thought it might be something some of you are familiar with.



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02 Sep 2010, 1:18 pm

OK well, if you want to look into the effects of EMF, then I have no objections. It can't hurt just to look into it. I just doubt that you will find anything.

However, if you are wondering why your batteries are discharging, I would look into the average humidity in your new place compared to your old place. A higher humidity will result in batteries discharging much faster.


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02 Sep 2010, 1:23 pm

Thanks for the tip about the humidity. I will look into that too. Do you have any info on what humidity levels would cause significant battery drain?

I wanted to add - we are in the same town but about a mile east of where we were. The major structural different is that we do not have a basement in our new place. Also, we are a mile closer to a major international airport and the noise different is significant.



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02 Sep 2010, 4:17 pm

BTDT, you hit it - Radon. That is, apparently, one to check into.

If we're throwing out possible unhealthy connections, here are a few more that have come up over time, some investigated, some not:

Red dye in foods (we have a few on here who have done exclusion tests with this one, and decided there is definitely sensitivity).

Flame retardants in clothing, etc - a couple living near us had their whole family tested for a broad range of chemicals a few years ago, and the extremely high levels of this one really caught my eye. The child that chews his clothes? How it is known that high levels of the chemical can cause neurological damage? I think that one has something to it, personally, but it hasn't caught any momentum. Mostly, I no longer buy any flame retardant clothing, or much of flame retardant anything, and hope and pray I never have cause to live to regret that decision.

I do think it is worthwhile playing around with the idea that a person can move into a home or environment with an unusually high exposure to something, or that one person can be unusually sensitive to something that bothers no one else. But ... you can waste a lot of energy trying to limit things that are part of daily living. So, you've got to pick your battles.

You can research anything on the internet and find cause for concern. Just ... be careful, because it is incredibly easy to end up afraid of almost everything. And everything we limit gets replaced sometime somewhere by something else, which may or may not actually be worse.

Sorry for the tangent. I don't have any EMT information specifically, even though it sounds like the sort of thing my husband would have picked up on if there was cause for concern (he's the guy who makes sure all our cell phones have the lowest emission ratings possible, and he's the guy who bought the radon testing stuff, remember ;) ). Anyway, bjtao, good luck testing it out and let us know what you find. More for the collective data base.


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02 Sep 2010, 10:17 pm

Do you know how many devices in your house will light up a geiger counter? All of them.

But if you're really worried about EMF, the larger issue is the kilowatt class directional transmitters used by the military and NWS (airports do have them for ILS, but they're lower power and directed into the air from the end of runways), mostly used for radar and similar. They're pretty easy to identify - either they're a geodesic dome housing a rotating radar antenna or phased array panels on a large radio transmission tower. Check out Google Earth, they'll show up very easily on the satellite photos.

Also, if you're close a fixed nondirectional transmitter such as cellular towers, radio and TV broadcast towers and the like, you can also run into high EMF. Check out antennaweb.org to see if any are around you.

For what it's worth, I live 1/4 mile from fixed transmitters and have more electronics in my one bedroom apartment than is healthy to my electric bill (7 computers, 9 other networked devices... so enough to equip a medium to large sized home), and my AS got better when I moved here.



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22 Sep 2010, 8:23 am

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/19/weeki ... elkin.html
Here is a great NY Times article on keeping kids safe--parents often waste valuable energy and resources on stuff that isn't likely to happen, and not enough on common hazards of daily life.

five things most likely to cause injury to children up to age 18 are: car accidents, homicide (usually at the hands of someone they know), child abuse, suicide or drowning. ...



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22 Sep 2010, 2:34 pm

We have had entire schools shut down here because of suspected WiFi effects (I'm assuming that's an EMF issue?) - headaches and illnesses en masse in students. No proof yet, but enough that our gov't is taking the issue seriously.


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22 Sep 2010, 10:27 pm

Caitlin wrote:
We have had entire schools shut down here because of suspected WiFi effects (I'm assuming that's an EMF issue?) - headaches and illnesses en masse in students. No proof yet, but enough that our gov't is taking the issue seriously.


Do you have any links to news articles regarding these shut downs?



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23 Sep 2010, 12:18 am

Here's the best link I could find (the issue hasn't really come up in my province, so I don't know where the best links are) but this one would indicate that my statement should read 'entire schools have shut down their wifi' rather than 'entire schools have shut down'. The government of Ontario (provincial Government) has formally requested that our Federal Government investigate the issue of 'wifi sickness'.


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23 Sep 2010, 8:22 am

Caitlin wrote:
Here's the best link I could find (the issue hasn't really come up in my province, so I don't know where the best links are) but this one would indicate that my statement should read 'entire schools have shut down their wifi' rather than 'entire schools have shut down'. The government of Ontario (provincial Government) has formally requested that our Federal Government investigate the issue of 'wifi sickness'.


The link didn't post. Can you post it again?



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23 Sep 2010, 3:00 pm

Sorry! That's me rushing too much...

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/ ... -wifi.html


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23 Sep 2010, 3:05 pm

In one of the scandinavian countries (sweden/norway?) el;ectrosensitivity is taken seriously to the point that the government supply diagnosed individuals with specialist apparatus. i think this includes EMF-proof curtains and paint.