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21 Mar 2011, 7:38 am

For the last week we´ve had terrible time. It all started with comeback -to -school after being ill for a week.A day before, our son was terribly uppset, restless, going up and down the house, starting fights with all of us saying he simply doesn´t want to go back (he is eightgrader).He was almost agressive, threatning us all.At the end it seemed he was OK, we talked and talked explaining that it´s not such a long way to go to the end of the school year. But the next day, chool psychologist said that he visited her, that he seemed very upset saying that it would be best to take something sharp to school(?! !) to fight back all the bullies.She suggested we visit psychiatrist (even recommended one) to talk a little, especialy ´cause we´ve been discussing home schooling from next year, so we can ask her for an opinion.The next day we went.But after five minutes talking, when my son said he wouldn´t like to go to the "ordinary school", she attacked him saying why does he think of himself as an "royal child" and does he see himself as something "special"?She sid all the private schools and such are just for those people who are not able to function.
I was very shocked, surprised and many more things but I saw he was pretty lost too so I didn´t interfere. Maybe I was wrong.
She said not to mention Apergers, autism or similar to her, she thinks he should socialize 100% even if itś not pleasant(?).She said she would give him a medication(for children, mild one)just to end this year and then we ´ll see.
It turned out "mild" medication is Zyprax which we read is heavy atipsycotic just for adults with all kind of terrible side -effects.We were horrified.What to do?
We decided not to give that to him. Yes, he has been very difficult the last phew days, still doesn ´t want to go to school (he said one week more), he wanted to talk a lot, hugg (he usualy avoids that),he cried, was very angry,but after eight years shool problems I think thatś to be expected.
Does anyone have opinion about this?Do your teenagers have similar crisis?Any advice?
Sorry for being too long, maybe not quite understandable (we are not originaly English speaking people).
Love to all, mamamoo



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21 Mar 2011, 8:23 am

That psychiatrist is EVIL, or just completely useless at best. I wouldn't listen to a word she said.

He is being bullied. He said, " it would be best to take something sharp to school(?! !) to fight back all the bullies". What is the school doing to address the bullying? What are you doing to advocate for him with the school? Until this is addressed and you know you are sending him into a situation that is both physically and mentally safe for him, I would refuse to send him to school at all. Period. It is completely unacceptable that he should have to spend his days in fear and misery!

The adults in his life need to help and protect him not drug him so he is docile through his anguish, and then force him to socialize 100%! ! Wow, scary. So glad you aren't taking the psych's advice.



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21 Mar 2011, 10:45 am

I am horrified by the psychiatrist, attacking a child for wanting to get away from being bullied and wanting to drug him so he becomes compliant. It's so good that you didn't blindly take this unprofessional 'professional' advice.

I'm not a parent and I wish I could give you some advice. On a good note though, you're being really good parents to your child by listening to him and using your mind when something isn't right, if you can keep being this type of parent I'm sure your child will have an easier time of things.

I've read that children that are home schooled learn faster and better in general so it can be a really good idea. Just make sure he has some form of social activity (martial arts or chess or something) so he doesn't develop fear of his peers. Pay attention to the chosen activity, making sure that it is well supervised so that bullying is easier to detect. Also, social skills training to help him deal with verbal bullys in future may also help.


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21 Mar 2011, 10:49 am

Yes, this is one of the reasons I now refuse to let any psy-anything have private sessions with my son "one-on-one" so he could "express himself more freely" anymore. Never again. I advise parents to stay with their children even if the psy insists. Some are seriously wrong, and it's a lottery.
Yours clearly has a problem.
Before you give him any medication, take a second opinion and change that doctor. Once you find a qualified one you can move forward.
And as bold and brave as it seems , I would also refuse to send him to school until something is done. You never know what could happen. And jesus, does that little guy need a rest...



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21 Mar 2011, 1:31 pm

SECOND. OPINION!

Why WOULDN'T you mention his DX to a new doctor?! It is clinically significant in this case. He needs to be seen by someone who is actually a doctor... that women does not qualify.



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21 Mar 2011, 1:45 pm

I'm with everyone else. Unfortunately, even people who say they know about autism are often not very well trained in it. The red flag statement was does he think of himself as an "royal child" and does he see himself as something "special"? as a response to a social problem. There are all kinds of possibilities with bullying, but that strikes me as being so out of step with reality that I'm completely puzzled.

I would contact the director of the school and ask what protections they plan to put in place to prevent your child from being bullied, if you do choose to go back. While I have chosen to keep my son in a public school, we are working very closely with the staff to make sure he is not over his head socially, and when there was bullying this year, after a few false starts that I blame myself for, it was addressed immediately. He is now getting social skills classes and will be getting speech therapy as well.

What country are you in? What sort of system of medicine do you have - are you stuck with this doctor? It might be helpful to contact your local autism society and find out your rights.



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21 Mar 2011, 2:07 pm

It's unaminmous, I agree with everyone else: change doctors. I find the things you were told and the approach this professional is trying to take to be appalling.


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21 Mar 2011, 11:13 pm

mamamoo wrote:
For the last week we´ve had terrible time. It all started with comeback -to -school after being ill for a week.A day before, our son was terribly uppset, restless, going up and down the house, starting fights with all of us saying he simply doesn´t want to go back (he is eightgrader).He was almost agressive, threatning us all.At the end it seemed he was OK, we talked and talked explaining that it´s not such a long way to go to the end of the school year. But the next day, chool psychologist said that he visited her, that he seemed very upset saying that it would be best to take something sharp to school(?! !) to fight back all the bullies.She suggested we visit psychiatrist (even recommended one) to talk a little, especialy ´cause we´ve been discussing home schooling from next year, so we can ask her for an opinion.The next day we went.But after five minutes talking, when my son said he wouldn´t like to go to the "ordinary school", she attacked him saying why does he think of himself as an "royal child" and does he see himself as something "special"?She sid all the private schools and such are just for those people who are not able to function.
I was very shocked, surprised and many more things but I saw he was pretty lost too so I didn´t interfere. Maybe I was wrong.
She said not to mention Apergers, autism or similar to her, she thinks he should socialize 100% even if itś not pleasant(?).She said she would give him a medication(for children, mild one)just to end this year and then we ´ll see.
It turned out "mild" medication is Zyprax which we read is heavy atipsycotic just for adults with all kind of terrible side -effects.We were horrified.What to do?
We decided not to give that to him. Yes, he has been very difficult the last phew days, still doesn ´t want to go to school (he said one week more), he wanted to talk a lot, hugg (he usualy avoids that),he cried, was very angry,but after eight years shool problems I think thatś to be expected.
Does anyone have opinion about this?Do your teenagers have similar crisis?Any advice?
Sorry for being too long, maybe not quite understandable (we are not originaly English speaking people).
Love to all, mamamoo



This lady (the psychiatrist) does NOT know what she is talking about. She clearly does not empathize with those with AS, and thus is not qualified to treat those with AS.

When I was a child, I had a lot of school issues, partially because, like most children with AS, ordinary things had a tendency to overstimulate and stress me immensely. AS was not a diagnosis at the time, and my parents knew I was on the spectrum but this information was not shared with everyone involved in my care. Frequently I found myself sitting before a teacher, or teacher's aid, psychologist, psychiatrist...etc, being asked why I couldn't do something, and I would try to explain to them how stressed I was and I would frequently be met with phrases such as "Well (insert here) stresses me but I have to do it anyway," which only indicated to me that they had no idea of the level of stress I was talking about, and I have only become more convinced of this as an adult, as I am better able to cope with things and my stress tolerance levels are more on par with NT's now. As a child, while I didn't know I was on the spectrum growing up, I was aware that I was different than most people, but when I tried to describe this to others, without the word "autistic" or the term "Asperger's Syndrome", I could only say "I'm different," and though I didn't mean this in any superior way, it was always taken that way and then I was inevitably met with hostility and ridicule by those who were supposed to listen to me and help me. All of these reactions traumatized me to some degree and only served to frustrate and isolate me and make my life more difficult than it needed to be.

One psychologist brought me to tears during an event like this and my parents promptly fired him.

When you son talks about being stressed, it isn't the type of stress most NT adults experience going to work, waiting in line at the bank, being stuck in traffic, or paying bills. It is the type of stress you might feel if your world was falling apart, and try as you might, your efforts just aren't good enough. The type of stress soldiers in Iraq feel, when they are being bombed constantly and can never rest, and the type of stress that causes post traumatic stress disorder.

Get rid of this psychiatrist, resolve the bullying problem with the school and the bullies parents and try to get your son the homeschooling. He should socialize but this should be in the form of the controlled environment of extracurricular activities for kids his age. Ideally these should be fairly small groups with kids who would be happy to reach out to him...a lot of faith based youth volunteer groups are actually good environments for people with AS. I also recommend the Civil Air Patrol Cadet program because it's structured and the kids are expected to follow certain codes of conduct and have good moral. Bullying is not tolerated. He should also have some basic social skills training if he has not.



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22 Mar 2011, 3:13 am

Chronos wrote:
[When you son talks about being stressed, it isn't the type of stress most NT adults experience going to work, waiting in line at the bank, being stuck in traffic, or paying bills. It is the type of stress you might feel if your world was falling apart, and try as you might, your efforts just aren't good enough. The type of stress soldiers in Iraq feel, when they are being bombed constantly and can never rest, and the type of stress that causes post traumatic stress disorder.



I can relate to this. You might think it is overdramatic: it's not. It's literally what I felt at school when everyone was after me and I had no idea how to stop it or where to escape. And I'm also much better now, but chronos, I'm not sure it is because we are adults. I think it's just because we don't have to go to school anymore. Work environments may be tough at times but it's nothing compared to a schoolyard, and we DO have a bit more skill now, but no amount of skill can stop bullies.



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22 Mar 2011, 3:34 am

ediself wrote:
I think it's just because we don't have to go to school anymore.

THIS for me. I have as an adult given presentations to teachers in schools so similar to mine. Sometimes the kids would be leaving, that noise, the kids rushing out, the .. it's not a good thing. It was difficult, not because of public speaking because that's nothing, but because of those memories. If it weren't for knowing that if I wanted to leave I could, and no one could ever force me to go back ever again, I wouldn't ever have gotten in to do those presentations - regardless of how much I was being paid. Oh yeah, and anti-anxiety meds. Couldn't go through that door without taking some of those and knowing I have more in my pocket.

Also mamamoo, that psychiatrist is a complete idiot. Her comments about your son.. jeez, she herself is bordering on abusive attacking him in that manner. I can pretty much guarantee that unless you physically hit her you probably handled it better than I would have. That kind of behavior is beyond the pale, and coming from someone who's supposed to be helping no less! I wouldn't allow that woman anywhere near your child again, I mean wow, just wow, what a total fornicating female dog - if you'll pardon my crude language. Absolutely do not take any advice from that woman and don't let her bully both you and your son into doing anything or taking anything you feel uncomfortable. The way she acted is a huge warning sign, people who act like that never end up being good for your health, they just want to control you because they obviously must know everything sooo much better. :roll: