the transition from computer to textbook learning ??

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02 Feb 2012, 1:54 pm

my daughter at 3 with high functioning ASD has principaly learned from computer and ABA material ,is there a certain age where she should be able to acquire the " principal learning " from regular school text books material ??



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02 Feb 2012, 3:29 pm

Now.



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02 Feb 2012, 6:47 pm

At 3, are you kidding?

In the US, kids start school at 5, and they are certainly not reading text books at that point.



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02 Feb 2012, 7:05 pm

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At 3, are you kidding?

No.

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In the US, kids start school at 5...

Kids start public school at 5.

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... and they are certainly not reading text books at that point.

The only reasons that I stopped reading textbooks at that age were because (1) my parents objected to me skipping 1st and 2nd grade, and (2) the teacher claimed that my advanced reading skills disrupted the class by making the other students feel bad.



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02 Feb 2012, 7:30 pm

But you're not average, and that's not "should".

"Should" means at what point do I become worried if my child doesn't reach this particular milestone. One would not be worried if a child was not reading textbooks at 3 (perhaps you would be worried that your child weren't following in your footsteps :D ).



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02 Feb 2012, 8:03 pm

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my daughter at 3 with high functioning ASD has principaly learned from computer and ABA material ,is there a certain age where she should be able to acquire the " principal learning " from regular school text books material ??


From what I've heard, grades K-3 are about "learning to read" and 4th and beyond are "reading to learn". My son is in K and is learning to sound out all the words in a sentence, and to write short sentences. I would say the "principal learning" of anything else is coming from listening to the teacher explain science, history, geography, math concepts, etc.

I wouldn't be worried about learning from text books at 3 years old. Rather, I would focus on whether she can learn to pay attention and learn from her preschool teacher during circle time.

Is your daughter reading now? If so, is it just decoding the sounds (she might be considered hyperlexic) or with comprehension?



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02 Feb 2012, 8:40 pm

Kailuamom wrote:
But you're not average, and that's not "should". "Should" means at what point do I become worried if my child doesn't reach this particular milestone. One would not be worried if a child was not reading textbooks at 3 (perhaps you would be worried that your child weren't following in your footsteps :D ).

His kindergarten teacher requested that I not let him have access to college-level textbooks ... a proud moment for me ...



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02 Feb 2012, 9:55 pm

Fnord wrote:
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But you're not average, and that's not "should". "Should" means at what point do I become worried if my child doesn't reach this particular milestone. One would not be worried if a child was not reading textbooks at 3 (perhaps you would be worried that your child weren't following in your footsteps :D ).

His kindergarten teacher requested that I not let him have access to college-level textbooks ... a proud moment for me ...


Sounds like that school wasn't a fit for your family, but that's still not should. But, to play devils advocate, if by any chance you were pressuring your child to read college level textbooks, and it was causing him anxiety, that may have made sense.

Anyway, I think the op should familiarize himself with the developmental milestones, so he may feel more comfortable.



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03 Feb 2012, 10:57 am

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But you're not average, and that's not "should". "Should" means at what point do I become worried if my child doesn't reach this particular milestone. One would not be worried if a child was not reading textbooks at 3 (perhaps you would be worried that your child weren't following in your footsteps :D ).
His kindergarten teacher requested that I not let him have access to college-level textbooks ... a proud moment for me ...
Sounds like that school wasn't a fit for your family, but that's still not should. But, to play devils advocate, if by any chance you were pressuring your child to read college level textbooks, and it was causing him anxiety, that may have made sense...

No pressure at all; he saw me reading them and wanted to know what they were about. While many of the concepts expressed at that level were beyond the ability of a 5-year old to grasp, by the time he was 8, he was writing paragraphs about binary pulsars, recombinant DNA, frequency modulation, and other college-level topic while the other kids in his class were still struggling with "The fat cat sat on a flat mat"!

When a child sees that his or her parents enjoy reading, they will want to read too. The trick is to get them interested in useful topics, and not comic books, religious texts, or other works of fiction.



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03 Feb 2012, 11:09 am

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When a child sees that his or her parents enjoy reading, they will want to read too. The trick is to get them interested in useful topics, and not comic books, religious texts, or other works of fiction.


I think this may be true for you and not all.

I read non fiction in front of my kids, and have since they were babies, but the topics rarely interest them. One of my sons, followed my example and is a reader. He reads incessantly, he likes fiction and non fiction, Plato to Manga. My other son, raised in the same environment, won't read non-fiction to save his life, and will only read comic type stuff.

While with the first child , I thought my terrific parenting caused this love of advanced reading, then the second convinced me that we all are born with inherent "wiring" if you will, and parenting actually plays a fairly small role in the development of preferences.

The kids have the same parents, with the same parenting style in the same environment. There are no divorces, or major changes which would differentiate how they were parented. Same parents, environment.....only difference is the kids.

Boy are they different. I say the first is me, the second is my husband, there's no parenting (or modeling) that out of or into them! They are who they are, as unique wonderful beings.

Trust me on this one, little ones being interested in your college texts are special in and of themselves. While you may be a wonderful parent, it's not your amazing parents g which is causing that strength in your child, rather your child brought that with him, and you are nurturing it.



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03 Feb 2012, 1:48 pm

and how about the transition from computer based learning to a prolonged interest in looking at printed text in general,whether pictures,letters or words.my daughter started a bit of the latter, is it satisfactory? or do we have to work more using ABA on longer attention spans with regard to printed material ?



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04 Feb 2012, 9:31 am

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and how about the transition from computer based learning to a prolonged interest in looking at printed text in general,whether pictures,letters or words.my daughter started a bit of the latter, is it satisfactory? or do we have to work more using ABA on longer attention spans with regard to printed material ?


At 3 years old, the focus should NOT be getting your daughter interested in printed text, pictures, letters, or words. That will likely come on its own if she is already interested in things she sees on the computer. The focus should be on getting her interested in people, which is much less natural for a spectrum kid. The ability to form a relationship with and learn from her preschool teacher and classmates will help make later schooling more effective.

I suggest you read some of Stanley Greinstein's books about the DIR/Floortime model of social interaction.



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04 Feb 2012, 2:23 pm

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His kindergarten teacher requested that I not let him have access to college-level textbooks ... a proud moment for me ...



So I guess the teacher doesn't want your son knowing more than she/he does. LOL


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05 Feb 2012, 4:48 am

any free online books by Stanley Greinstein's about the DIR/Floortime model of social interaction , which book would you principally suggest ?



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05 Feb 2012, 11:03 am

Sorry, spelled the name wrong. It's Stanley Greenspan.

You might try your public library for some of his books.
Engaging Autism: The Floortime Approach to Helping Children Relate, Communicate and Think.

You can also search YouTube to find free videos of parents doing floortime and talks by Greenspan.



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05 Feb 2012, 11:29 am

I find this thread interesting because my kids were little back in the day we started them out with board books,

Honestly, I don't think it matters where the child is seeing the written word and learning material. She may get a surprise akin to a child who hasn't seen a land line telephone before, but it isn't likely to be some huge, difficult adaptation.

Although I do think that for a variety of reasons a trip to the public library may be in order. Kids at that age absolutely love it there.


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