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12 Apr 2012, 5:57 pm

I was just wondering if there are any other immortalist parents out there. I wanted to discuss what you teach your kids and how you go about enabling there immortality. I'm at the beginning of the consideration, but here's what I plan to do:

Life insurance - buy each kid life insurance at birth when it is as cheap as it can get and sign it over to a cryonics company. I'll make sure it is the type that grows indefinitely in cash value. This way they will always have the option and always have a start to paying the costs of cryonics or immortality therapy. Hopefully over enough generations this will ensure that all of my grandkids have the opportunity to be immortal also.

Raising immortals - I figure I teach each kid that they have the opportunity and won't have to die. I raise them to be pro immortality and put it first in their life. I teach them the lifestyle and to always think of the future and investments in the future. I teach them to invest in life insurance for their kids when they are born and to continue the family tradition.

I think all to often when people think about immortality or become an immortalist they make assumptions that they might not otherwise make if someone had raised them in the lifestyle. So how else can prepare my kids to lead both ethical and immortal lives?

I've seen stuff like People Unlimited, but I don't live anywhere near them ATM and they are still a growing movement. I want my kids to have the kind of motivational speaking that PU offers, but I'll be doing pretty much alone. I don't know many people who want both kids and immortality. Most say they'd rather wait.

Obviously they need to be taught to accumulate wealth for the family and establish living arrangements and long term income generating investments to support future generations and to ensure that the money is always there for the costs of immortality.

If you haven't heard of People Unlimited, I strongly suggest you check them out:
http://www.people-unlimited-inc.com/videos.html

I believe immortality is the answer. Even if I were to have a kid with a strong disability I would still want them to have the opportunity to live in the future where they will have access to more solutions for their life and be able to enjoy more of life. I won't goad myself into thinking that a disabled kid should lead a limited existence. I might choose to give such a kid up for adoption if I couldn't afford them, but I'd still pay for their cryonics life insurance.

Ideas? Suggestions?



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12 Apr 2012, 8:42 pm

Wow!? no more for you man.


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12 Apr 2012, 9:30 pm

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So how else can prepare my kids to lead both ethical and immortal lives?


I have no idea why, but this is the funniest thing I have ever read.



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12 Apr 2012, 10:42 pm

We all must die, sometime...



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13 Apr 2012, 10:15 am

Honestly, I think there are good reasons we are NOT designed to be immortal, so don't forget that a GOOD parent teaches not only what they, themselves, believe, but exposes their children to what others believe.

Since you seem to be serious I will just point out the most obvious flaw in the plan: you can't hold a life insurance company to its policy once the company has gone out of business, and companies are not immortal.

But the concepts of building and preserviving wealth through generations can be positive regardless of the success of immortal plans, so by all means teach the foundations of conservative financial management.

Just don't forget the value of today while you prepare for what will always be, regardless of the best laid plans, an uncertain tommorrow. Actually becoming a parent teaches you that lesson real fast.


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13 Apr 2012, 8:23 pm

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Honestly, I think there are good reasons we are NOT designed to be immortal, so don't forget that a GOOD parent teaches not only what they, themselves, believe, but exposes their children to what others believe.

Since you seem to be serious I will just point out the most obvious flaw in the plan: you can't hold a life insurance company to its policy once the company has gone out of business, and companies are not immortal.

But the concepts of building and preserviving wealth through generations can be positive regardless of the success of immortal plans, so by all means teach the foundations of conservative financial management.

Just don't forget the value of today while you prepare for what will always be, regardless of the best laid plans, an uncertain tommorrow. Actually becoming a parent teaches you that lesson real fast.


I don't have to worry about exposing my kids to non immortalist ideas, society already does plenty of that, I just have to make sure that what I teach them is enough for them to have an honest choice and not just go with the flow on the decision. I want to make sure they won't feel guilty and/or can't be guilt tripped into choosing death when the time comes.



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13 Apr 2012, 8:23 pm

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Wow!? no more for you man.


No more what?



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13 Apr 2012, 8:24 pm

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We all must die, sometime...


Sounds like you want my kids to die, should I take that as a threat? :)



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13 Apr 2012, 8:29 pm

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So how else can prepare my kids to lead both ethical and immortal lives?


I have no idea why, but this is the funniest thing I have ever read.


What better could you do with immortality than spend forever helping the human diaspora in space once one has worked enough to provide for themselves indefinitely?

You obviously haven't given immortality a fair chance at being a positive thing for humanity. You obviously haven't thought about ratcheting up our goals to provide plenty of room for all the immortal people. It's all possible, we just have to get our priorities straight.



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13 Apr 2012, 8:52 pm

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You obviously haven't given immortality a fair chance at being a positive thing for humanity.


No, it's not that. It's just that it's somehow funny to use "immortal" as an identity politics word, as if it were "gay" or "Jewish". I keep imagining phrases like

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Say it loud! I'm immortal and I'm proud!


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You have a barely disguised bigotry against immortal people. Many of the people who made this country great were immortal! Er... are immortal.



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13 Apr 2012, 9:43 pm

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You obviously haven't given immortality a fair chance at being a positive thing for humanity.


No, it's not that. It's just that it's somehow funny to use "immortal" as an identity politics word, as if it were "gay" or "Jewish". I keep imagining phrases like

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Say it loud! I'm immortal and I'm proud!


or

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You have a barely disguised bigotry against immortal people. Many of the people who made this country great were immortal! Er... are immortal.


hehehehe

Or "... are waiting to be thawed out and become immortal."

I'm ready to start a movement! Nothing can stop me but social anxieties! Though with the right motivations and one's priorities in order this becomes easy... no more SAD for me.



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13 Apr 2012, 11:28 pm

Immortality won't come for still quite a while. Immortality? No, stopping aging would be a better definition, as you're son could still die of a accident. Rather you should prepare your son to the idea he will die someday, which will happen even if humanity somehow learn to prolong life indefenitely. I mean, what are the odd and consequence of living for billions of years!? And this is still only the "beginning" of what would be true immortality.


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14 Apr 2012, 1:06 pm

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I was just wondering if there are any other immortalist parents out there. I wanted to discuss what you teach your kids and how you go about enabling there immortality. I'm at the beginning of the consideration, but here's what I plan to do:

Life insurance - buy each kid life insurance at birth when it is as cheap as it can get and sign it over to a cryonics company. I'll make sure it is the type that grows indefinitely in cash value. This way they will always have the option and always have a start to paying the costs of cryonics or immortality therapy. Hopefully over enough generations this will ensure that all of my grandkids have the opportunity to be immortal also.

Raising immortals - I figure I teach each kid that they have the opportunity and won't have to die. I raise them to be pro immortality and put it first in their life. I teach them the lifestyle and to always think of the future and investments in the future. I teach them to invest in life insurance for their kids when they are born and to continue the family tradition.

I think all to often when people think about immortality or become an immortalist they make assumptions that they might not otherwise make if someone had raised them in the lifestyle. So how else can prepare my kids to lead both ethical and immortal lives?

I've seen stuff like People Unlimited, but I don't live anywhere near them ATM and they are still a growing movement. I want my kids to have the kind of motivational speaking that PU offers, but I'll be doing pretty much alone. I don't know many people who want both kids and immortality. Most say they'd rather wait.

Obviously they need to be taught to accumulate wealth for the family and establish living arrangements and long term income generating investments to support future generations and to ensure that the money is always there for the costs of immortality.

If you haven't heard of People Unlimited, I strongly suggest you check them out:
http://www.people-unlimited-inc.com/videos.html

I believe immortality is the answer. Even if I were to have a kid with a strong disability I would still want them to have the opportunity to live in the future where they will have access to more solutions for their life and be able to enjoy more of life. I won't goad myself into thinking that a disabled kid should lead a limited existence. I might choose to give such a kid up for adoption if I couldn't afford them, but I'd still pay for their cryonics life insurance.

Ideas? Suggestions?


Why in hell would people spend all that money for things they already have going right under their nose? Even when your body dies, if you have offsprings (not think they are yours, thank God for paternity tests), your genes have pretty much another lease on life. Getting your body frozen like turkey before thanksgiving is just way too expensive, complicated and in my humble opinion a pointless exercise in being a total w*ker. I mean, why would anyone want to live forever? OK, let's say you are immortal, you are going to see and live everything there is to see and live, then what? Get bored to death? Imagine you got your pecker chopped off and lost in an accident, and as an immortal will have to live forever without it? How would you like that? Be careful what you wish for. I'll keep my mortality.



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14 Apr 2012, 7:01 pm

Been going on under my nose? Is there an immortality somewhere that I don't know about? Please explain.

Aside from that, the technology and medicine will be available to grow me new equipment should it get chopped off in an accident. I'm not worried about anything like that. The world will also continue to grow in interesting things and possibilities. There will always be something left to experience. Even if you lived forever, you still couldn't get to meet everyone or read every book, watch every movie etc...

Say it out loud! We're immortal and Proud!



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15 Apr 2012, 9:34 am

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joestenr wrote:
Wow!? no more for you man.


No more what?


Step away from the peace pipe :lol: :lol:



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15 Apr 2012, 11:58 am

We are not meant to be immortal in these bodies in this world. Nature always finds a way to restore it's balance; as soon as we humans think we've got the better of it in one area, it throws a curve ball. Look what happens with antibiotics. Look how autism went up when Downs syndrom went down. Look at weather and natural disasters.

I honestly think you are pursuing a pipe dream for that reason. I think you are better off making the best of the life you have now.

I won't mock you, but I would be surprised if you hold these ideas to the end of raising children. As I suggested earlier, nothing knocks you out of the idea that you can control anything faster than becoming a parent.


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