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08 Oct 2011, 9:44 am

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One of my almost 6yr old daughter's classes started back today. She wanted to take some toys in the car and one toy in particular into the building. This was fine by us, but we told her that the toy couldn't go into the class. There were 2 reasons for this: she'd picked a parrot puppet with a squeak which we knew she would squeeze during the class and distract the other kids; she would also be really distracted by it. She wasn't happy, but she didn't go on about it, so we said no more about it. When the class leader asked the kids to follow him, we reminded her about the toy and my husband tried to take it from her. This resulted in a dramatic response, not quite a meltdown, but she was crying, running up and down and refusing to go in. Eventually, one of the teachers got her as far as the staircase. I listened from outside and could hear that she went into the class, missing the first 25 mins. When she came out, she said the class was great, as usual. The teacher said she settled within about 5 mins. The staff at this class are particularly good with her. Even before she became a candidate for autism assessment, they just accepted that she was a little different. I don't want to jeopardise this class, as it's been really good for her (and us) and I can see it leading to a possible career choice in the future. The feedback we've had has been nothing but positive.

This has been an ongoing problem since she was a toddler. Her choice of toys changes from one day to the next - it can be anything from a plastic dinosaur, R2D2, to one of her puppets. She even wants to take a toy to school, which I allow, so long as it goes into her bag once we get there. The reason I allow it is that if I decided not to give in to her, we would never get out of the house, or she would have to be dragged to school, punching and screaming, which I would never do. I don't think she takes it out in class (the teachers have never mentioned it anyway). I stopped taking her to drama classes mainly because of this issue. One week, she took a toy in (I relented as she was refusing to go in otherwise), but I was told she spent the whole hour playing with it and getting annoyed at the other kids for knocking it over, etc. When it impacts on other kids, I have to take a stance, so after that, she was told she couldn't take one in. She made such a big deal out of it each week, that I decided not to re-register. I worry that this will continue to happen, unless we find the solution which has been evading us for all these years.

Does anyone have any ideas? Anything would be very much appreciated.

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08 Oct 2011, 10:16 am

This is actually a typical childhood phase, just made more difficult and extreme when AS is involved. Where we are, most classes write an all encompassing rule on it and that is that. Every child faces the same situation.

You have to get her to buy into the logic of the rule, I think. Get her imagining a room where every child has a toy, and all the things that could happen. Move on from there. Assuming she is capable of that abstraction; I can't remember all the details with your daughter.

It is going to take a while because, obviously, she wants what she wants, but odds favor her eventually outgrowing this need.

I think the toys are like a security blanket, btw. Known, familiar, and happy. That little bit of home in a scary place.


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08 Oct 2011, 10:17 am

We've had the same problem from before he could even talk. He would pick something to hold/perseverate on and want to bring it everywhere. As he got older (around 5) it was easier to explain expectations. He was allowed to bring one item in the car, but when we arrived at destination it needed to stay in the car and it would be there when he got back. If he got out of control about it, then he wouldn't be allowed to bring it in the car. It gave him some rules to follow and he knew that if he wanted to bring it, then part of the deal was that he had to leave it without blowing up. It has worked well. He's older now, and still likes to bring things but sometimes he doesn't He's much more flexible with this as well.



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08 Oct 2011, 1:02 pm

I think you are doing all the right things showing a balance of working with her and standing your ground. Press on, and also try to get her to understand the rule, as was mentioned. My son went through a lot of this. Now at 11, he brings in a stress toy that I approve and he has to be discreet or it's taken away. This is a huge battle but keep on and it will get better.



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08 Oct 2011, 1:44 pm

I did this as a child too. I would have panic attacks if I didn't bring a stuffed animal with me. I can't remember if I had meltdowns or not but I probably did. I don't think I ever truthfully outgrew it either. I just graduated to real animals. I take my bearded dragon, Pippin with me everywhere as long as it isn't too cold or she's had enough handling for a while. She's my service animal and allowed to go anywhere with me. When I can't bring her, I shove my Tails the fox plushie in my pocket and take him with me. I had to bring my Timon and Pumbaa plushies with me everywhere from first grade to mid third. I only stopped because my as*hole bus driver tried to make me surrender to them and he said he would never give them back. My problems at school got ten times worse because of anxiety. Bringing a stuffed animal with me was basicaly a coping mechanism. Before my Timon and Pumbaa plushies, I had a Buster Bunny plushie that talked when you pulled a string in his back. I took him everywhere but when I started kindergarden, my mom wouldn't let me bring him with me. I had horrible problems with anxiety in kindergarden and longed for my stuffed animal. I only went to that kindergarden for a week or two before my parents realised I wasn't ready for it yet and pulled me out. I started the next year at another school with great sucess. The teacher was a saint but my mom let me bring my stuffed animal with me this time. Bringing a stuffed animal helped me cope. As I said, I just graduated to real animals.


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08 Oct 2011, 2:50 pm

To deal with this we allowed a toy at any time but it had to comply with two rules:

1)be small enough to fit in her backpack

2)not make any noise

The rules were simple and unvarying, an autistic child's preferred type of rule. The teachers figured out a way to work with it. They used the toy as a reward for after a particular task had been completed (quasi-ABA). The toy stayed in the backpack and came out to be played with after doing the work.



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08 Oct 2011, 2:52 pm

Janissy wrote:
To deal with this we allowed a toy at any time but it had to comply with two rules:

1)be small enough to fit in her backpack

2)not make any noise

The rules were simple and unvarying, an autistic child's preferred type of rule. The teachers figured out a way to work with it. They used the toy as a reward for after a particular task had been completed (quasi-ABA). The toy stayed in the backpack and came out to be played with after doing the work.


But what if it's a comfort item the child needs in order to funtion? What if said comfort toy makes noise and dosen't fit in backpack? I'm curious because two of my comfort toys made noise and were too big for my backpack.


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08 Oct 2011, 3:04 pm

MagicMeerkat wrote:
Janissy wrote:
To deal with this we allowed a toy at any time but it had to comply with two rules:

1)be small enough to fit in her backpack

2)not make any noise

The rules were simple and unvarying, an autistic child's preferred type of rule. The teachers figured out a way to work with it. They used the toy as a reward for after a particular task had been completed (quasi-ABA). The toy stayed in the backpack and came out to be played with after doing the work.
But what if it's a comfort item the child needs in order to function? What if said comfort toy makes noise and doesn't fit in backpack? I'm curious because two of my comfort toys made noise and were too big for my backpack.

Then either stay home and play with your toys, or leave the toys at home and learn to cope without them.


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08 Oct 2011, 3:06 pm

MagicMeerkat wrote:
Janissy wrote:
To deal with this we allowed a toy at any time but it had to comply with two rules:

1)be small enough to fit in her backpack

2)not make any noise

The rules were simple and unvarying, an autistic child's preferred type of rule. The teachers figured out a way to work with it. They used the toy as a reward for after a particular task had been completed (quasi-ABA). The toy stayed in the backpack and came out to be played with after doing the work.


But what if it's a comfort item the child needs in order to funtion? What if said comfort toy makes noise and dosen't fit in backpack? I'm curious because two of my comfort toys made noise and were too big for my backpack.


If that was the case then I would talk with the teachers and see what could be worked out. My guess is that they would have allowed the noisy toy to be played with only at recess or in the OT/PT room (where quiet was not the norm). The teachers have to balance the needs of the one student against the many. The rule about fitting into the backpack was to prevent the toys being lost (as happened before we made that rule) but they weren't disruptive. Luckily this never came up. If it did, we would let the teachers be the ones who ultimately decided what to do since they are the ones who have to coordinate all the kids.



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08 Oct 2011, 3:46 pm

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I did this as a child too. I would have panic attacks if I didn't bring a stuffed animal with me. I can't remember if I had meltdowns or not but I probably did. I don't think I ever truthfully outgrew it either. I just graduated to real animals. I take my bearded dragon, Pippin with me everywhere as long as it isn't too cold or she's had enough handling for a while. She's my service animal and allowed to go anywhere with me. When I can't bring her, I shove my Tails the fox plushie in my pocket and take him with me. I had to bring my Timon and Pumbaa plushies with me everywhere from first grade to mid third. I only stopped because my as*hole bus driver tried to make me surrender to them and he said he would never give them back. My problems at school got ten times worse because of anxiety. Bringing a stuffed animal with me was basicaly a coping mechanism. Before my Timon and Pumbaa plushies, I had a Buster Bunny plushie that talked when you pulled a string in his back. I took him everywhere but when I started kindergarden, my mom wouldn't let me bring him with me. I had horrible problems with anxiety in kindergarden and longed for my stuffed animal. I only went to that kindergarden for a week or two before my parents realised I wasn't ready for it yet and pulled me out. I started the next year at another school with great sucess. The teacher was a saint but my mom let me bring my stuffed animal with me this time. Bringing a stuffed animal helped me cope. As I said, I just graduated to real animals.


I really appreciate your sharing this story. Understanding the potential "why's" is crucial to resolving things appropriately.

I think for most kids a toy is some version of comfort, but not essential to functioning. It isn't always going to be easy for parents to figure out the difference, however.


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08 Oct 2011, 3:46 pm

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MagicMeerkat wrote:
Janissy wrote:
To deal with this we allowed a toy at any time but it had to comply with two rules:

1)be small enough to fit in her backpack

2)not make any noise

The rules were simple and unvarying, an autistic child's preferred type of rule. The teachers figured out a way to work with it. They used the toy as a reward for after a particular task had been completed (quasi-ABA). The toy stayed in the backpack and came out to be played with after doing the work.
But what if it's a comfort item the child needs in order to function? What if said comfort toy makes noise and doesn't fit in backpack? I'm curious because two of my comfort toys made noise and were too big for my backpack.

Then either stay home and play with your toys, or leave the toys at home and learn to cope without them.


I would have never been able to function, let alone cope if my parents had your attitude. I needed to learn to cope on my own terms. But then I really basicaly pretty LFA as a little kid.


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08 Oct 2011, 6:42 pm

My blankets came with me in my backpack until first grade. Also, I'm nearly 24, but I still take a very small doll in my backpack everywhere with me. She never comes out, but it helps me to know she's there.



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08 Oct 2011, 7:18 pm

MagicMeerkat wrote:
Fnord wrote:
MagicMeerkat wrote:
Janissy wrote:
To deal with this we allowed a toy at any time but it had to comply with two rules:

1)be small enough to fit in her backpack

2)not make any noise

The rules were simple and unvarying, an autistic child's preferred type of rule. The teachers figured out a way to work with it. They used the toy as a reward for after a particular task had been completed (quasi-ABA). The toy stayed in the backpack and came out to be played with after doing the work.
But what if it's a comfort item the child needs in order to function? What if said comfort toy makes noise and doesn't fit in backpack? I'm curious because two of my comfort toys made noise and were too big for my backpack.

Then either stay home and play with your toys, or leave the toys at home and learn to cope without them.


I would have never been able to function, let alone cope if my parents had your attitude. I needed to learn to cope on my own terms. But then I really basicaly pretty LFA as a little kid.


I think it is super cool that you have people around you that have realized some things are needs for you, and have made that happen. It is the distinction all of us parents are constantly trying to figure out.

Fnord, are you a parent? Just asking because it is hard to figure out what someone else needs, while giving them as full a life as possible, and trying to get them to reach their potential. I'm not seeing a recognition of that in your posts, or a sharing of personal experience; just personal opinions. As a parent, every misstep I've made, where I've assumed my child should do A when he really could not, sits glaring in my mind. There is no black and white, A or B, when dealing with kids, in my experience.


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08 Oct 2011, 7:28 pm

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Fnord, are you a parent?

Yes, three sons in their late 20s or early 30s. All healthy. All well-adjusted. All responsible adults. All working for their wages.

DW_a_mom wrote:
Just asking because it is hard to figure out what someone else needs, while giving them as full a life as possible, and trying to get them to reach their potential. I'm not seeing a recognition of that in your posts, or a sharing of personal experience; just personal opinions. As a parent, every misstep I've made, where I've assumed my child should do A when he really could not, sits glaring in my mind. There is no black and white, A or B, when dealing with kids, in my experience.

Parents are in charge, not the children. While it is important to not traumatize them, they must learn what behavior is socially acceptable and what is not. Eventually, even an adult must know that playing with toys when they should be working is not acceptable.


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08 Oct 2011, 7:32 pm

Fnord wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Fnord, are you a parent?

Yes, three sons in their late 20s or early 30s. All healthy. All well-adjusted. All responsible adults. All working for their wages.

DW_a_mom wrote:
Just asking because it is hard to figure out what someone else needs, while giving them as full a life as possible, and trying to get them to reach their potential. I'm not seeing a recognition of that in your posts, or a sharing of personal experience; just personal opinions. As a parent, every misstep I've made, where I've assumed my child should do A when he really could not, sits glaring in my mind. There is no black and white, A or B, when dealing with kids, in my experience.

Parents are in charge, not the children. While it is important to not traumatize them, they must learn what behavior is socially acceptable and what is not. Eventually, even an adult must know that playing with toys when they should be working is not acceptable.


Thanks for answering.

I guess we have a fundamental difference in parenting philosophy.

And ... depending on the kids involved, and how well the parents follow the true golden rules (consistency, clear communication, etc), either can work. I know that. But when you always answer so confidently, and don't show patience for different opinions and philosophies, I wonder if you know that.


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08 Oct 2011, 8:26 pm

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I guess we have a fundamental difference in parenting philosophy.

Not really, just different ways of expressing it (imo).

DW_a_mom wrote:
And ... depending on the kids involved, and how well the parents follow the true golden rules (consistency, clear communication, etc), either can work.

Definately. It also helps to have Otherparent follow the same procedure, so that the little darlings can not play one off against the other.

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But when you always answer so confidently, and don't show patience for different opinions and philosophies, I wonder if you know that.

DW, I'm sure that you're a wonderful mother, and I don't think anyone else would say anything less. You have found something that works for you and yours, and that's great.

The worst that I had to deal with was ADD/ADHD in the youngest - his mother wanted to medicate him, and I wanted to interact more with him ("... now, Bobbie, we went over this yesterday, remember? Look over here. No, over here! Multiplying fractions is simple ... Bobbie, look over here ..." et cetera). She got her way by divorcing me. Fortunately, "Bobbie" (nhrn) turned out okay after a couple of years off the Ritalin, got a job, met a nice girl, got married, and now they are planning their own family ... far, far away from his mother ... ;)

It's the results than really count, right?


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