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02 Feb 2007, 9:42 am

My son is now 16, dx Aspie etc etc. I think my brother is as well going by his childhood etc..always isolated, always a geek, always wicked smart and had no friends blah blah.

Now my son had severe lead poisoning when he was a toddler and I always contributed that to his behaviors and emotions and think it is a contributing factor in his Asperger syndrome.

Now, my 4 yr old daughter....*sigh* she was not potty trained till almost 4. She thinks she is an animal...all the time, she loves animals, mostly the feline family and roars more than talks some days. She gets nervous and anxious when we even present her with new foods.
Me:"Here this is a cheese burger, have a taste"
Her: " I HATE YOU! I HATE THAT! ROAR ROAR!!"

Now I have 4 kids so I know weird toddler behaviour and what not, but more and more I think she and he are very alike in thoughts and actions. She does not rage like he did,not even CLOSE. Since my son had his damage to his brain as a toddler I wonder if part of his development ended there and this is why they seem similar.

Anyway, I did not find out about asperger till he was 12....how do you know, in a girl at a young age what is "normal" and what is a sign?

For those who have young ones, how did you know?
She is VERY VERBAL always has been, she giggles and plays and is smiles and giggles, makes eye contact etc.

THANKS for your thoughts on this!



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02 Feb 2007, 10:26 am

TeeTee,
I try to stay out of the parents conversations, because, well, I like to think that you guys should also have a safe place to discuss.

A note on your daughter. It is NOT OK for her to say she hates you-even in simple context. If she continues to blurt this out-you are responsible for it's continued placement in her vocabulary. It is not healthy for her. It is not healthy for you.

My son's first word was NO. We taught him NO. and used it rarely-for the really important stuff. such as saying... fu*k. It was cute. But when we put our foot down (and explained a little bit why) he was so engrained to trusting the command coupled with the love of his parents that he HAD NO CONFUSION about it.

I think the roaring is cute. I still roar, when in the safety of my own company. I still say the only person who understood me for a period of my life was my shepard, Maximus.

I'd say don't worry that she is going to be roaring when she is 15 or 18, she won't be, not like that, she may growl to herself though. It might be her way of expressing a complex emotion of a passing thought whose mimicry is unclear in humans but digestable to the brain+actions through the mimicry of animals. Taking it away from her, would have the effect of saying-you are not to share with me your emotions. But stating to her that upcoming others may not understand and to keep it in quiet-is ok! It lets her know you love her, you are not trying to repress her, you want to protect her from being future-ly hurt by others, you want to prepare her for the jungle of society.

I lived in a home that burned coal for heat when I was a post toddler. I wonder if that had anything to do with it.



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02 Feb 2007, 10:30 am

SeaBright wrote:
TeeTee,
I try to stay out of the parents conversations, because, well, I like to think that you guys should also have a safe place to discuss.

A note on your daughter. It is NOT OK for her to say she hates you-even in simple context. If she continues to blurt this out-you are responsible for it's continued placement in her vocabulary. It is not healthy for her. It is not healthy for you.

My son's first word was NO. We taught him NO. and used it rarely-for the really important stuff. such as saying... fu*k. It was cute. But when we put our foot down (and explained a little bit why) he was so engrained to trusting the command coupled with the love of his parents that he HAD NO CONFUSION about it.

I think the roaring is cute. I still roar, when in the safety of my own company. I still say the only person who understood me for a period of my life was my shepard, Maximus.

I'd say don't worry that she is going to be roaring when she is 15 or 18. It might be her way of expressing a complex emotion of a passing thought whose mimicry is unclear in humans but digestable. Taking it away from her, would have the effect of saying-you are not to share with me your emotions. But stating to her that upcoming others may not understand and to keep it in quiet-is ok! It lets her know you love her, you are not trying to repress her, you want to protect her from being future-ly hurt by others, you want to prepare her for the jungle of society.

I lived in a home that burned coal for heat when I was a post toddler. I wonder if that had anything to do with it.


Thanks Seabrite! I am a really connected parent and am close with all my kids....Tony ( my "aspie") taught me a lot. I never tell her not to roar, I just ask her if she can tell me in people so I can understand as well, she obliges me my ignorance to tiger speech.

As for her saying I hate you, it is not an allowable action so I try and give her better words like..."No you love me but you don't want this different food" etc.

I also don't worry that she will be roaring when 30 let alone 17 or 18, I am pretty sure she will move past it by then...or not :lol: I am basically just wondering how much of my observation of her behavior is simply being sensitive to the idiosyncrasies of asperger syndrome and just a high needs 4 yr old...make sense?

Thanks so much for you input, and I appreciate your thoughts!



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02 Feb 2007, 10:38 am

wow! your a fast responder! your welcome very much. :wink: 8) :D :D :D :D :P :wink: :P :P :P



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02 Feb 2007, 10:48 am

TeeTee_Mom wrote:
I am basically just wondering how much of my observation of her behavior is simply being sensitive to the idiosyncrasies of asperger syndrome and just a high needs 4 yr old...MAKE SENSE?


no....but that's ok, I loved hearing about your family all the same.

Your sentence states: I am basically just wondering how much of my observation of her behavior is simply being sensitive to the idiosyncrasies of asperger syndrome and just a high needs 4 yr old...make sense?

What I am missing to make sense of your sentence is:
I am basically just wondering how much of my observation of her behavior is simply being sensitive to the idiosyncrasies of asperger syndrome and just a high needs 4 yr old, OPPOSED TO BLAH BLAH BLAH. A. B. AND C.

or rather

I am basically just wondering how much of my observation of her behavior is simply being sensitive to the idiosyncrasies of asperger syndrome and just a high needs 4 yr old..

plus an example of 'or is it..."

I hope it is ok that I posted that. When your sentence ended with 'make sense?' I took it as an actual question requesting an actual answer. Though I realize I am often wrong regarding communication.


You seem VERY tuned in, are you Aspergers too?



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02 Feb 2007, 10:57 am

I meant " I am basically just wondering how much of my observation of her behavior is simply being sensitive to the idiosyncrasies of asperger syndrome or I just have a high needs 4 yr old.."

She also hates wet hands touching her or anything she is about to touch being wet, any thing on her face especially kisses....there are more...the noise the bedroom door makes when it shuts because it squeaks and she yells each time that she hates that noise so much. It is barely audible I should add, almost a dismissive sound to it.

I am not Asperger I just want to be in tune with my son and with people's emotions and feelings and the logical aspect of reactions so we have a safe haven for him here and we all can live in harmony together.

I like minds and how they work 8)

oh and I am fast at responding because I am writing right now and am bored with my topic that I have to write about.

Thanks again!



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02 Feb 2007, 11:22 am

Sensory dysfunction usually is present all over the spectrum, but is itself a syndrome of it's own as well.



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03 Feb 2007, 2:06 pm

your daughter sounds alot like mine~ she is at the moment dx-ed ADHD~hyperactive, impulsive type...not so sure i believe it due to all of her varied behaviors, but such is the dx we have. both her dad & 1 brother are dx-ed aspergers. i wonder somedays if her behaviors are a reflection of the others'...frankly, i don't know if i'll ever be able to differentiate her learned behaviors from her intrinsic behaviors.
what matters the most, is that we're addressing her needs. we did not go for a dx until she started experiencing problems in school. ( talking too much, literal interpretation of metaphors, problems with math & indescribable handwriting) . the school has begun to address the issues she's having, and i've even gotten the school to help her with social skills even though she's only got a 504 plan & not an IEP. Things could still improve, but as with everything else around here~it's all one day at a time.
if you're truly concerned about her behaviors, start with her pediatrician and go from there...i will tell you, though, that our kid's pediatrician never saw anything wrong with our son~in fact he even commented frequently about how much our son was like him ! ( honestly, i think the doc is undx-ed aspie :lol: ).we didn't go for a dx for our son until he was 12 & in alot of emotional turmoil.he's better now most days.



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03 Feb 2007, 2:50 pm

Hey Tee Tee Mom,
Your daughter sounds a lot like my aspie son, he also hates to be touched with wet hands, he will change his close immediately if i accidentally touch him with wet hands. He also will not open the car door if it has been raining and it is wet, I have to open it or he wont get into the car. My son was diagnosed with adhd first 2 years then aspergers 7 months ago. We didnt notice any big problems until he started school, the teachers could not get him to sit in his seat or cooperate to do his work,he liked to do what he wanted to do and not the work that was assigned him. He also had a lot of problems socializing with other kids that is still a problem in Grade 3. He is very head strong and has a lot of odd behaviors and a strong dislike for any loud noises, he also refuses to try any new foods, He basically eats the same foods every day.