She seems fine, I'm not coping.

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06 May 2014, 4:10 am

It is inevitable and I knew would happen and is. My daughter turns 17 next Monday. She is accepted in a group of people she knows and has been included in since year 7, she is now year 11. As this group of people she knows, she calls them friends. As they are maturing beyond and past her they are leaving her out even more. They were more accepting of her when they were younger, but they are becoming more independent (boyfriends, parties, going out without parents)

I think it is me not coping, not my daughter, she is not coming to me talking about this. I am just seeing and being aware. The two girls in particular in the group were closer to my daughter than others in the group, and now I've noticed my daughter doesn't get asked to celebrate those two girls birthday this year. I saw a facebook page of one of the girls and there are photos of her birthday and who was there.

I am so down, about this. I know my daughters world will get smaller again, when she finishes her school year next year. I just hope that she can still be at least included in the group till she graduates secondary school.



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06 May 2014, 6:37 am

If your daughter doesn't notice (or doesn't mind) then it's probably better not to mention it to her. A lot of the people I thought were my friends in high school I now realize were not, so it could be that she's not aware they are drifting apart. Does she belong to any organizations outside of school? A club could help her forge new friendships with people who share her interests, and she could continue in the organization into adulthood. If there are no clubs nearby that cater to her interests, you could always try church. I am not a religious person, but churches usually have charitable and social groups one can join. You could join a group with her if she feels uncomfortable attending alone. I know I didn't want to go anywhere by myself at that age.



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06 May 2014, 7:10 am

There are things that are hurtful as a parent that you hope your child does not internalize; but it is still painful. I would get so sad when I would go to school for something and see the other kids socializing and my child by himself. He was OK with it, but I could not help be upset, even though intellectually I knew it was not his thing. I wasn't especially social myself and it still bothered me b/c socialization is what we are told everyone should want and that everyone ought to be able to do it.

Your child is way more advanced in socialization than mine may ever be, but you will feel that way, also, because you know where the bar is "supposed" to be.

Even in the NT world, friends drift apart, and it becomes harder to make them as an adult. She will be happier if she wants a social group, to find one that she has more in common with. So even though the drifting apart is sad, it may lead to better, more satisfying friendships in the long run. She could join special interest type groups and that kind of thing, if it suits her.



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06 May 2014, 3:58 pm

she might realize it and be keeping it to herself to not make you worry

its what I did and still do with my mom I try to keep my problems to myself to not make her worry



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06 May 2014, 9:04 pm

Just to throw a different idea out there (of course, I have no idea if it is true or not, but it is a plausible explanation)...

It is possible that she knows about the party and is not interested. It is even possible she is thankful she wasn't invited. The older you get, the more social rules you have to understand, and in an environment with a lot of people doing a lot of things (like a birthday party), it can be overwhelming. The requirement for small talk alone can be staggering.

I am reminded of my daughter's teacher's words earlier this year. She said that one of the things she wanted for my daughter this year was for her to get closer friends. The funny thing is? My daughter is absolutely happy about the friends she has. She knows they get together for more "play dates" than she does. But she doesn't care. And she is a kid who wears her heart on her sleeve, so I an certain she really doesn't care. Even though as a mom, I feel I should care. But then I realize that I am judging her relationships based on my own notion of what "should" be. And I realize that the reality is that it shouldn't be that way. If she is happy, I need to accept it at face value until she either tells me otherwise or shows signs otherwise. Otherwise, I am simply judging her against my yardstick and not hers.

I don't want this to sound harsh. I know that I would feel the same way if I was in your shoes. It's hard not to as a mom.


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07 May 2014, 3:10 am

YippySkippy wrote:
If your daughter doesn't notice (or doesn't mind) then it's probably better not to mention it to her. A lot of the people I thought were my friends in high school I now realize were not, so it could be that she's not aware they are drifting apart. Does she belong to any organizations outside of school? A club could help her forge new friendships with people who share her interests, and she could continue in the organization into adulthood. If there are no clubs nearby that cater to her interests, you could always try church. I am not a religious person, but churches usually have charitable and social groups one can join. You could join a group with her if she feels uncomfortable attending alone. I know I didn't want to go anywhere by myself at that age.



Thankyou for your thoughtful response. My daughter attends a holiday program each term holidays, but she still has not bonded with anyone but at lease she is out there in a social environment and she enjoys and picks what she want to do.

I did attend church up until last year and my daughter was even more mute here, I had one lady co ercing my daughter to sing with her at the organ. I gently took this lady aside, and said it was not really possible and I explained why and she was flabbergasted and I dont even think she knew what autism spectrum was. I did this with my daughters permission. The woman was tongue tied. All the family groups were not that open to welcoming us in. I did have the same idea as you said it, but I was wrong. Church folk are no different to society.

Thanks anyway, I am thinking of other possibilities.



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07 May 2014, 3:13 am

ASDMommyASDKid wrote:
There are things that are hurtful as a parent that you hope your child does not internalize; but it is still painful. I would get so sad when I would go to school for something and see the other kids socializing and my child by himself. He was OK with it, but I could not help be upset, even though intellectually I knew it was not his thing. I wasn't especially social myself and it still bothered me b/c socialization is what we are told everyone should want and that everyone ought to be able to do it.

Your child is way more advanced in socialization than mine may ever be, but you will feel that way, also, because you know where the bar is "supposed" to be.

Even in the NT world, friends drift apart, and it becomes harder to make them as an adult. She will be happier if she wants a social group, to find one that she has more in common with. So even though the drifting apart is sad, it may lead to better, more satisfying friendships in the long run. She could join special interest type groups and that kind of thing, if it suits her.


Thankyou , I appreciate your words and they are helpful and giving me insights to ponder upon. Am grateful.



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07 May 2014, 3:14 am

chris5000 wrote:
she might realize it and be keeping it to herself to not make you worry

its what I did and still do with my mom I try to keep my problems to myself to not make her worry


thanks, I appreciate what you say, and it could be possible. At the moment she copes by laughing a lot and talking to herself in her room.



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07 May 2014, 3:23 am

InThisTogether wrote:
Just to throw a different idea out there (of course, I have no idea if it is true or not, but it is a plausible explanation)...

It is possible that she knows about the party and is not interested. It is even possible she is thankful she wasn't invited. The older you get, the more social rules you have to understand, and in an environment with a lot of people doing a lot of things (like a birthday party), it can be overwhelming. The requirement for small talk alone can be staggering.

I am reminded of my daughter's teacher's words earlier this year. She said that one of the things she wanted for my daughter this year was for her to get closer friends. The funny thing is? My daughter is absolutely happy about the friends she has. She knows they get together for more "play dates" than she does. But she doesn't care. And she is a kid who wears her heart on her sleeve, so I an certain she really doesn't care. Even though as a mom, I feel I should care. But then I realize that I am judging her relationships based on my own notion of what "should" be. And I realize that the reality is that it shouldn't be that way. If she is happy, I need to accept it at face value until she either tells me otherwise or shows signs otherwise. Otherwise, I am simply judging her against my yardstick and not hers.

I don't want this to sound harsh. I know that I would feel the same way if I was in your shoes. It's hard not to as a mom.


I really like this and you are so right on the mark with this. Daughter has been to a few birthdays of the two girls and some have been disastrous, (crying) too many people she did not know, but in the last few years, she was ok. I know its more that what I want for her. She is a happy girl and laughs a lot to cope (at home) a switch goes on and she is full on chatter and a lot of chatter with herself in her room, rehearsing life.
I need to accept what she wants, not what I want or society.

I am finding it hard letting go of ideals and find it hard to accept. I cannot grasp the fact of her being alone and being ok with it. Myself and her Dad are her bestie along with her teddy.



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07 May 2014, 5:20 am

leiselmum wrote:
I cannot grasp the fact of her being alone and being ok with it.


I have a few "friends" from back in the day when I tried to care and I have "friends" at work, but my socialization with the first group amounts to a couple of times a year and my socialization with the second group in confined to work.

I am absolutely OK with it.

In fact, I have more peace in my life now that I am not so focused on "having friends" in the wild hope that it will somehow "make me normal."

So it is possible your daughter is decades ahead of me in becoming comfortable in her own skin.


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