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16 Oct 2014, 10:48 am

Anyone tried this, and did you notice any difference in yourself and/or your kid?



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16 Oct 2014, 11:50 am

it's in broccoli, which i eat a lot of. never noticed any behavior or emotional change. it's supposed to prevent cancer, though.



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16 Oct 2014, 1:20 pm

have some on order. You can get a bottle pretty cheap on amazon, just search for "broccoli SPROUT extract" the sprout part is important as it has more in it. It hasn't arrived yet. My husband actually suggested it as he recognized it as something that would not at all be harmful that we should try before any other medication.



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16 Oct 2014, 7:23 pm

Is your husband a doctor or pharmacist or chemist or something like that, particularly having researched this specific supplement? Because as I understand it, supplements like that are not regulated to strict manufacturing standards. And natural products can still have bad side effects. Just saying that natural does not necessarily mean less harmful. Anything like that should be taken with as much caution as you would a traditional medication.

Although, I do hope it works for your intended purpose with fewer side effects than whatever the pharmaceutical would have been.



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16 Oct 2014, 9:27 pm

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Is your husband a doctor or pharmacist or chemist or something like that, particularly having researched this specific supplement?


I don't understand this statement. Why does my husband have to be a doctor or pharmacist or chemist? And why would you assume HE'S a doctor, and not ME? I can't be an educated woman? I can't have researched this supplement myself?



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17 Oct 2014, 4:54 am

YippySkippy wrote:
Anyone tried this, and did you notice any difference in yourself and/or your kid?


Never head of it tbh.
But as I read the thread it reminded me of something I read on Yahoo this week.
Got a Reuters link as a better source

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A dose of a chemical found in broccoli and other vegetables may improve the behavioral and social symptoms of autism in young men, according to a new small study.

But people would have to eat a possibly unrealistic amount of broccoli and other vegetables to reach the dose of the molecule - known as sulphoraphane - used in the new study, the lead researcher told Reuters Health.

?Our extract product we used is not on the market,? Dr. Andrew W. Zimmerman said by phone. ?There are other things like it but in different forms."

Sulphoraphane is found in cruciferous vegetables like broccoli, cauliflower and cabbage, but more so in the raw vegetables than cooked. Previous studies have found that it inhibits some bacterial growth and may slow the growth of some cancers.

For the new study, the researchers divided 40 young men with moderate to severe autism spectrum disorder into two groups. One group received varying daily doses of broccoli sprout extract. The others received an inert capsule, known as a placebo.

The researchers and caregivers, who did not know which men received extract and which received placebo, regularly rated the young men?s behavior and social interaction after the trial began. They also rated the participants a month after the trial ended.

The men were rated on irritability, tiredness, repetitive movements, hyperactivity, communication, motivation and mannerisms.

The average scores on both scales were better from four weeks onward for the 26 young men assigned to sulphoraphane compared to the 14 in the placebo group, Zimmerman and colleagues reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Of the 26 young men given sulphoraphane, 17 were judged to have improved in behavior, social interaction and calmness by caregivers and staff. There was little change among those in the placebo group.

Sulphoraphane didn?t work for everyone, but for about two-thirds of the group there was a noticeable improvement, Zimmerman said.

?We could tell who was on it and parents could too,? Zimmerman said. ?There are several families who just can?t stop praising it.?

Most of the improvements had disappeared by one month after treatment, however.

The researchers write that young people with autism tend to make more eye contact and have improved speech when they have fevers. They suggest that sulphoraphane ?stresses? the body like a fever with few or no side effects.

?Stress is not all bad,? Zimmerman said, noting that it can change the way some genes, potentially those governing autism, are expressed.

The participants in the new study were closely monitored and did not suffer from fever.

But most of what is known about the possible effects of fever on autism is based only on anecdotes and any connection is tentative at this point, said Rebecca J. Schmidt, of the department of public health sciences at the School of Medicine at the University of California, Davis.

?Our group has been interested in studying the link between maternal cruciferous vegetable intake and potentially reduced risk of autism in the child,? said Schmidt, who was not involved with the new study.

If individuals with autism eat these vegetables, it should not do a lot of harm and could have benefits, she told Reuters Health by phone.

These results will have to be replicated before they can be confirmed, and it may turn out that this specific broccoli extract isn?t the most effective form for people with autism, Zimmerman said.

Further studies are needed to assess whether the link would be the same for women and younger children, Schmidt said, adding that studies are also needed on whether it may play a role in autism prevention.

Zimmerman is with the Lurie Center for Autism in Lexington, Massachusetts, and the Massachusetts General Hospital for Children and Harvard Medical School in Boston. He was affiliated with The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore when he collaborated with Dr. Paul Talalay, the first person to isolate sulphoraphane, on the design of the trial.

Several clinical trials with sulphoraphane are currently underway, examining its effects on conditions such as asthma, prostate cancer and schizophrenia, according to Clinicaltrials.gov.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/13/us-broccoli-autism-idUKKCN0I21ZM20141013


DD was diagnosed with HFA aged 9. She makes eye contact and is a very social child and many don't believe she is on the spectrum. Including my own mother!
Still, I remind them of where she goes to school and the fact she is at a therapeutic boarding and I tell them if they have any issues regarding the validity of her diagnosis they should take it up with the doctors there.

Fact is that for she eats loads of broccoli and has always done so because it is our default veg. Together with carrots and rice it was her staple diet before the age of 7 :roll:
Can't help but wonder....

Would never feed it her in a supplement though, going by Wiki very little is generally known about it..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulforaphane



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17 Oct 2014, 9:50 am

YippySkippy wrote:
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Is your husband a doctor or pharmacist or chemist or something like that, particularly having researched this specific supplement?


I don't understand this statement. Why does my husband have to be a doctor or pharmacist or chemist? And why would you assume HE'S a doctor, and not ME? I can't be an educated woman? I can't have researched this supplement myself?


Not meaning to butt in, but I think YippySkippy was just asking about your husband because you said he was the one who suggested it to you and he said it wouldn't be harmful...

As for the broccoli sprout stuff, I'm going to look into it. Interesting... my boy won't go near actual brocolli though-except to make trees for his dinosaurs to stomp on.



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17 Oct 2014, 11:21 am

Odetta wrote:
Is your husband a doctor or pharmacist or chemist or something like that, particularly having researched this specific supplement? Because as I understand it, supplements like that are not regulated to strict manufacturing standards. And natural products can still have bad side effects. Just saying that natural does not necessarily mean less harmful. Anything like that should be taken with as much caution as you would a traditional medication.

Although, I do hope it works for your intended purpose with fewer side effects than whatever the pharmaceutical would have been.


No. I said he suggested it because he happened to be the one who found the article. I'm a chemist with a strong back ground in plant and pesticide chemistry. There is nothing harmful about broccoli extract. In fact, my first thought was to buy some equipment and DIY it. Ill be the first one to tell you that "natural" products can be harmful, I myself won't touch stevia or anything similar. However people have been eating broccoli for ages and the amount of extract in one pill of what I have purchased is equivalent to about 2 bunches of broccoli. No one ever died from eating their veggies (unless they are allergic) so I'm not particularly worried about this. Im quite familiar with how things are extracted from the plants and how they get concentrated and formulated into something like a pill. If they were converting it to something else, I would be hesitant. But there is no conversion, it's a straight up extract so I have no fear. I'd much rather she try this than jump right to the brain chemistry altering anti anxiety meds they are recommending for her. My top choice would be to feed her broccoli sprouts (like I said, higher concentration), but not a chance. She wont eat them.

In fact the pills have been around for awhile already and have been used by many many people as they are helpful for imflammatory issues like arthritis. Im quite confident that no harm will come of this.



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17 Oct 2014, 11:42 am

Oh I see now, Odetta's comment was not directed at me.
My bad, carry on. :oops:



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17 Oct 2014, 8:27 pm

I hadn't heard about this before, but if it helps with inflammatory issues, I think I might try some myself! :)

Does anyone know if there is a recommended "dose" to try?


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19 Oct 2014, 2:12 pm

Hey, I did most of a year on a high dose of risperidone hoping to somehow become "more normal." Unless it kills me outright, it CAN'T be any worse. I will literally try anything if it offers me a hope of making autism "go away."

Think I'll hop on Amazon and send off for some. Enough for a 30-day trial anyway. I'm using myself as a guinea pig, so that's totally morally OK, right???

If I don't turn green or something, maybe I'll pass it along to my MIL for her arthritis.


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03 Dec 2014, 2:52 pm

I received it 2 days ago, going to start with them tommorow. I update myself soon!