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OregonBecky
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18 Feb 2008, 7:09 pm

I've always called my daughter autistic until someone insisted that I say "my daughter has autism." I, later, found out that the Person First term comes out of a desire for disabled people not to be defined by their disabilities, like, "instead of I'm diabetic, I have diabetes."

But autism, I think, effects who a person is, almost as much as what gender that are, so it's different than other disabilites.

So far, I hear people who are employed by the government always use "has autism" because they're ordered to talk that way and, also, some parents insist on it but I haven't heard people with autism themselves insist on people not saying autistic.

I don't like to make communication harder and it seems that having the word police censor us is a bad thing.


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18 Feb 2008, 7:15 pm

It is a matter of correct grammer...autistic is an adjective whereas Autism reflects a noun.



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18 Feb 2008, 7:20 pm

Zsazsa wrote:
It is a matter of correct grammer...autistic is an adjective whereas Autism reflects a noun.


I think she realizes this and is asking about the political correctness of each term.

Becky, I think it's ridiculous that people correct you for calling her "autistic."

Once someone corrected me by saying " actually they're people with autism. I resisted the urge to correct their correction and just said "oh I see" when I really wanted to say, "well actually, I have autism and find it offensive for you to take away my ability to identify as autistic." Sometimes it sucks that I have to be polite.

The people who use this term are confused parents and professionals who mistakenly believe that autism is something negative about their children instead of just part of who they are.


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18 Feb 2008, 7:26 pm

alex wrote:
Zsazsa wrote:
It is a matter of correct grammer...autistic is an adjective whereas Autism reflects a noun.


I think she realizes this and is asking about the political correctness of each term.

Becky, I think it's ridiculous that people correct you for calling her "autistic."

Once someone corrected me by saying " actually they're people with autism. I resisted the urge to correct their correction and just said "oh I see" when I really wanted to say, "well actually, I have autism and find it offensive for you to take away my ability to identify as autistic." Sometimes it sucks that I have to be polite.


Alex, you're too polite! :) Bop them on the head so that I don't have to.

There's a big diability conference being held out this way and I saw that they insist on person first terminlogy in all references to any disorder. I can't do that. It hurts me, like I'm refusing to accept and acknowledge a big part of who my daughter is by having to watch how I refer to her. I don't know if I have the words to make them understand. It bothers me so much that I'll skip this conference if they insist on this kind of censorship.


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18 Feb 2008, 7:29 pm

I've seen,
Autism: "my real child is in there somewhere but the autism is keeping him trapped"
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Autistic: "I'm an autisitc person who accepts who I am."

I know most people don't go by that scale, but it naturally fell into that place for me after a while of observing people's speech and actions.

For the record I say I'm autistic/aspie/whatever. It just has a natural flow. It's too weird to say "I have autism".


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18 Feb 2008, 7:36 pm

I am autistic. If someone's going to be picky over the politically correct way to refer to a group, they should at least go by what that group prefers.


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18 Feb 2008, 8:33 pm

Jenny McCarthy demanded on Oprah that people stop saying autistic. She said it sounds like nails on a chalkboard to parents. With a very public forum like Oprah saying the word autstic is bad, how to we get the word out that autistic is not a bad word?


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18 Feb 2008, 10:32 pm

i hear "has autism" and corelate it to "has cancer", "has diabetes", "has aids."

i hear "is autistic" and corelate it to the person as a whole.

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18 Feb 2008, 10:49 pm

I've been corrected for saying "autistic" before. I was told, "Please say people with autism. You don't identify people by their disease. People with leukemia don't want to be caused leukemics."

There are so many objectionable things about that statement, I couldn't begin to respond. I mean, "leukemics" isn't even a word . . .

I prefer "autistic" because autism is an essential part of a person's identity, and it is not an inherently bad thing. It is a way of being, not a disease. However, I would not correct someone for saying "has autism" because it is a matter of opinion and I don't tell people what to think.

I hope that one day, people will start to listen to autistics instead of speaking for us and enforcing the use of terminology supportive of their ideology on our behalf.



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18 Feb 2008, 10:57 pm

EvilKimEvil wrote:
I've been corrected for saying "autistic" before. I was told, "Please say people with autism. You don't identify people by their disease. People with leukemia don't want to be caused leukemics."

There are so many objectionable things about that statement, I couldn't begin to respond. I mean, "leukemics" isn't even a word . . .

I prefer "autistic" because autism is an essential part of a person's identity, and it is not an inherently bad thing. It is a way of being, not a disease. However, I would not correct someone for saying "has autism" because it is a matter of opinion and I don't tell people what to think.

I hope that one day, people will start to listen to autistics instead of speaking for us and enforcing the use of terminology supportive of their ideology on our behalf.


You've got some good phrases that might help me think of what to say to those conference people if I feel up to writing a letter to them. If I don't write to them and get them to agree that autistic is okay, I won't go but I should go, even if I feel out of place because maybe there's something good I can do for my daughter by going.


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18 Feb 2008, 11:06 pm

It's definitely about identity politics and who controls the language. My son's school actually has that 10 Things Every Kid with Autism Wish You Knew and one of them is "with autism" instead of autistic. My son says, "is autism", which is hysterical. :)

Having a difference of opinion is one thing but those people that insist on "with autism" or "has autism" always, always bring it up in a condescending way like you just fell off the wagon cart and barely speak English. :x



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18 Feb 2008, 11:47 pm

This reminds me of an old Bob Newhart episode. He started a support group for fat people and felt so awkward saying fat people and he said, er, people of a heavier persuasion.

Maybe we should call those politically correct people, people with word police disorder.


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19 Feb 2008, 12:20 am

kit000003 wrote:
i hear "has autism" and corelate it to "has cancer", "has diabetes", "has aids."

i hear "is autistic" and corelate it to the person as a whole.

just my lil opinion
very, very, very, very, very, well said.



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19 Feb 2008, 1:00 am

It's my condition, and I'll say autism, autistic or snipdangwackybooger. It's no one's business but mine.

It's gotten so PC means Plain Crazy. Or Prefers Cooties. Or something clever I can't think of right now. :?


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19 Feb 2008, 1:29 am

EvilKimEvil wrote:
I've been corrected for saying "autistic" before. I was told, "Please say people with autism. You don't identify people by their disease. People with leukemia don't want to be caused leukemics."


but this is calling autism a disease.... the next time someone says this point out that they just called someone diseased when it isn't a disease. you can't contract autism from someone, it isn't communicable. (before someone comes back and says leukemia isn't communicable either... if you transplant cancerous cells into a noncancerous patient they can get cancer, it's one way to give lab rats cancer.)



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19 Feb 2008, 7:27 am

MysteryFan3~ LOL!! !! !! !! !! :lol: .....i think that's the word we should start using~ snipdanwackybooger !