Andrejake wrote:
Misery wrote:
Ugh, no, I wouldnt bother with those. There's more than one type of challenge, I say, and those both are very much the wrong sort. They end up being about pure repetition rather than pure skill, which is also usually the case with "kaizo" levels and such, or games like Super Meat Boy. They're designed to simply be repeated, over and over and over again, until you beat them via that very repetition.
They're actually very rare in Mario Maker so far (out of hundreds of levels I've seen, I've seen only a couple of this sort), for one major reason: there's no savestates. Kaizo levels are usually beaten by passing a difficult section, saving the state, and then repeating, from that point, until the next section is done, and so on. If you look at something like I Wanna Be The Guy, it does the same thing; ridiculous difficulty, but checkpoints are extremely frequent, and each individual section is short. There's a whole bunch of reasons for that. It's an extremely difficult game.... yet it's not actually that difficult to BEAT, if that makes sense. That's how "extreme platformers" typically are.
In Mario Maker though... it'd end up taking BLOODY FOREVER to beat a level like that. One of the reasons for super-frequent saving/checkpoints or super short levels is that the repetition aspect makes a short section take very long. It'd take *really* freaking long in this, unless the given level was like, no more than a screen or two in size. Even those players that technically have enough skill to complete it, will usually just stop after a short time because of that. *I* would. I dont have that sort of patience.
And of course, the person making the level cant upload it themselves without beating it all in one go, during the upload process. That's the rule.
Never liked stuff like that myself. There's a billion different ways to create incredible levels of difficulty without having to rely on pixel-perfect crap, or things like that. I'm used to extremely difficult games... all them bullet-hell ones I play and all.... but this sort within the platformer genre just annoys me.
Now that all being said, there IS a set of levels to complete that comes with the game, but there's not that many and they are fairly short. They're still good though, but yeah, the game really is all about creating levels and sharing them. And then it has the 100-Mario Challenge which basically takes a big pile of them and structures them into a single "adventure" that you complete in one go (starting with 100 lives, able to gain no more than 3 1-ups at a time in any given stage, cant go over 100 though).
I agree. The difficulty aspect of stages like those ones are basically centered around precise timing and memorizing what to do. I think they are fun to watch but there are better and less stressful ways to have fun in the game.
I was asking myself how Nintendo was preventing people to upload unfinished or literally impossible levels, and you just answered my question, thanks. Although this doesn't prevent the stupid stages from coming up it is a nice move from Nintendo.
I saw some of those pre loaded stages, they are quite good.
I'm pretty sure that when I buy it I'll not start to create stages immediately, I'm too excited to play Super Mario in every style that I like (and forever) to think about this lol
But as soon as I calm down I'll start to create stuff, have some ideas in mind already.
Yep, I'm VERY glad that they implemented such a system. Certain other games I can think of *cough* LBP *cough* didnt do this, and can have, ah.... issues.
Now, that's not to say that there arent troll levels and things on there, because there totally are. They can be a problem particularly in the 100-Mario mode, where instant cheap death (if you dont magically know that you have to hold left the very instant the level begins, or something like that) can really start to take it's toll after a time. Though, I now see why it's the *100* Mario challenge instead of like, I dunno, 25.
Though, I find that actual "troll" levels arent nearly as common as levels that are just plain bad or not well-made (which at least arent at all malicious, and the designer can learn more as they go from there). So that's good.
There is a 10-Mario one, but that's just the levels that came with the game. The only problem with it is that it really is very short. But.... yeah. Considering the nature of the game, that seriously just doesnt matter... There is something to unlock too, by doing it, if you clear all of it and then the 4 special levels that appear afterwards, but I'll not spoil the hilarity for you. I'll just say, it's a very entertaining unlock that I was quite happy to get. One of my levels revolves entirely around it.
23 Sep 2015, 12:27 pm
