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04 Mar 2011, 2:10 am

Also, it's just a game. Course if you want to chew out a game because a certain landscape doesn't look like what it's supposed to. I suppose you could make your own version of how the game is supposed to be done.



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04 Mar 2011, 7:05 am

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Keep in mind that Fallout and Fallout 2 were done in a time when the popular conception of nuclear war is that for hundreds of years later the world would be a wasteland. Not that it couldn't happen in reality if we launched enough bombs to utterly decimate the biosphere, but we've since learned that most of the planet would recover in a matter of decades, not centuries.

Well one of series theme is the juxtaposition of two views of the future held at different times in history that still shared the fear of atomic war. The idyllic 50s with their overwhelming faith in technology and a future with robot servants and a summer home on the moon. Then on the other hand the bleak 80s, with their disillusionment in almost all areas of society including science as we found out just how those scientific marvels of the 50s had been attained.

If you're my age you may remember watching movies like Damnation Alley, Red Dawn and The Day After when you were a kid around that time Wasteland came out, and of course the Mad Max movies. Fallout isn't based on reality even if the areas might be somewhat loosely based on real areas. It's based on the world view from those movies and the pulp fiction of the 50s. Right down to the giant ants and green glow to denote radioactivity from the 50s and the wildly mismatched clothing and barren environment of the 80s!



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04 Mar 2011, 8:44 am

Ravenitrius wrote:
Actually, Brian Fargo regained the rights to Wasteland around 2003.


I know ;)

Who knows if and how long it'll take for that to actually happen, though... =/


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04 Mar 2011, 12:37 pm

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Well one of series theme is the juxtaposition of two views of the future held at different times in history that still shared the fear of atomic war. The idyllic 50s with their overwhelming faith in technology and a future with robot servants and a summer home on the moon. Then on the other hand the bleak 80s, with their disillusionment in almost all areas of society including science as we found out just how those scientific marvels of the 50s had been attained.

That explains a lot! Thanks for pointing that out. 8)


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06 Mar 2011, 2:17 pm

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Weird. I find the entire AC series incredibly easy and boring. I guess I enjoy fallout and other rpgs more because of the extensive dialogues and written things. If you want survival, go play STALKER. Now we shouldn't get off topic here and I have to point out Wasteland is a different game then fallout since it is party based. Fallout itself is a spiritual successor to Wasteland. It's more of a "Roleplaying Game" then the later game "Fallout 3" which is basically run around, shoot stuff and collect items like a pack rat. Also, don't attempt to compare the Arizona of Fallout New Vegas to the current one because it is completely different being that the Fallout one is set 200-250 years after the Bombs felled and when the Master's Mutant Army was defeated by the Vault Dweller of Vault 13. Have you see the intro of the first Fallout? No? Have a look now!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkBNKa2KXZE[/youtube]


in that much time the desert would have grown back, end of story. i don't even need to watch any video because of that simple fact. and if the bombs did hit the az and nevada desert, vegas and the hoover dam would be destroyed. so there is no reason that the desert has to look like that.


interesting little note on the map of new vegas you can find the bomb that was dropped on that area, it just didnt go off



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07 Mar 2011, 2:19 pm

I love the Fallout games....i have 1,2, and Tactics for the comp., and Fallout 3 (unfortunately not GOTY edition) for the PS3....I've even played the one they had for the PS2....it is possibly my fav. series of games (except for Suikoden)....I love the humor of 1 and 2 (and even tactics) and was saddened when they seemed to have left that out of 3...haven't played New Vegas yet (money is a bit tight)



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08 Mar 2011, 1:18 am

I will say this much, I'm not sure I'd recommend Fallout 1 or 2 for people who are more used to playing the types of games more current today. What I mean is, if you can't stand the idea of playing something that isn't in the first person perspective with 3d graphics and intense real time combat... there's a lot of games out there that the old dinosaurs like me will regard as some of the finest examples of gaming ever made that just aren't going to work very well for you. If playing isometric turn based combat games is fine with you, then yeah, those games are amazing value for just how cheap you can get them these days, as are some of the other Black Isle games.

Fallout 2 is in some ways a bit tougher than 1 initially, there's a bit of an uneven start. It was no problem for me, but a friend who wasn't quite as hardcore a gamer could never get past that slightly uneven area in difficulty/available weapons between leaving the village to arriving at Vault City. Just be aware of that if you do play, it may not be an issue for many people but others have a tough time with it.



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08 Mar 2011, 10:50 am

KBerg wrote:
I will say this much, I'm not sure I'd recommend Fallout 1 or 2 for people who are more used to playing the types of games more current today. What I mean is, if you can't stand the idea of playing something that isn't in the first person perspective with 3d graphics and intense real time combat... there's a lot of games out there that the old dinosaurs like me will regard as some of the finest examples of gaming ever made that just aren't going to work very well for you. If playing isometric turn based combat games is fine with you, then yeah, those games are amazing value for just how cheap you can get them these days, as are some of the other Black Isle games.

Fallout 2 is in some ways a bit tougher than 1 initially, there's a bit of an uneven start. It was no problem for me, but a friend who wasn't quite as hardcore a gamer could never get past that slightly uneven area in difficulty/available weapons between leaving the village to arriving at Vault City. Just be aware of that if you do play, it may not be an issue for many people but others have a tough time with it.

I am fairly new to video games, so I don't know a lot about my preferences yet. Thanks for the input!


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08 Mar 2011, 12:33 pm

I bought Fallout when it first came out. What a little Gem! The atmosphere was perfect, 50's retrofuture, and the music. I still love that Louis Armstrong song.

I loved the feeling of exploring a huge and genuinely interesting world, and being able to discover things for myself. Blasting radscorpions to bits with an uzi. Fun times.

Fallout 2 was good too, though it lacked the 'tightness'. It was much bigger, and more sprawling. A less coherent experience. But still, more Fallout so very enjoyable.


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09 Mar 2011, 8:02 am

KBerg wrote:
Fallout 2 is in some ways a bit tougher than 1 initially, there's a bit of an uneven start. It was no problem for me, but a friend who wasn't quite as hardcore a gamer could never get past that slightly uneven area in difficulty/available weapons between leaving the village to arriving at Vault City. Just be aware of that if you do play, it may not be an issue for many people but others have a tough time with it.


So it's not just me?

I got through the temple okay, but once I was done with my training, I kept getting killed by those radscorpions in the garden :x


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13 Apr 2011, 8:33 pm

I have all four Fallouts, and all the games have been a blast, the best RPGs I have ever played.

Fallout 3: This was the first fallout I played, and the first western RPG. I was taken aback by the complexity, but as I got used to it I was hooked. Spending hours scavenging for junk to sell should not be fun in any context, but it is in Fallout 3. The only problems I have are the story, which is badly written and feels like B-movie pulp, the character designs, which look like talking mannequins, and the dialogue, which is simplistic as hell. Awesome game.

Fallout 1: The first game I bought on my Grand Old Games Account. I like the atmosphere and the combat system, and the story, hate that damn timer in the beginning. This is a sand-box game, people play it for the freedom it has, we don't want timers in our game. Good, but not great

Fallout 2: Now this game is way better than 1 and 3! Everything about it is perfect: the combat, the character building, the story, the funny if juvenal dialogue. You can do anything, become a pro boxer, a pornstar, slave trader, sheriff, kung fu master, a master thief, a spy, anything. Of the first three games, I still play F2.

Fallout New Vegas: Now this may be the best of the Fallouts,tieing with Fallout 2. New Vegas took all the major flaws of 3 and streamlined it, the character building wasn't as broken and it isn't as easy to build a powerhouse, the dialogue makes sense, the graphics have improved, the combat is fun and not wooden, the story is interesting and entertaining, and there is no cap at level 20!

If I had to pick a game for a noob, I would pick Fallout New Vegas. It has the best part of the original two Fallouts and the innovations of Fallout 3.



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14 Apr 2011, 12:37 am

Only played 2 it was pretty kewlz0r



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14 Apr 2011, 1:26 am

I love Fallout 3. I must have put 500 hours into the various characters I've made since I bought it at launch. I haven't gotten New Vegas yet, as this time I'm waiting for all of the DLC to come out and be included on a disc with the game.


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14 Apr 2011, 1:27 pm

I much preferred Fallout 3 to New Vegas. There's too much talking and conversation in New Vegas. I am at peace and alone in number 3. I'm a loner in games. New Vegas is also full of bugs.



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15 Apr 2011, 3:48 pm

New Vegas is somewhat better then Fallout 3 and a little less good than 2.

As I see it, the main fault of New Vegas is that the world is simply way too crowded, making the Mad Max feel of the first two games entirely gone :(

There is an upside to this, namely the feeling that the world you are in is slowly rehabilitating (just think at the development of the NCR throughout the series!) and your character is making his contribution to restoring civilization.