Is gaming rubbish at the moment? Will it recover?

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22 Jun 2014, 5:19 am

It's not so much that new AAA games are bad or rubbish. They are the equivalent of a blockbuster movie, though. They're not intended to be long-lasting pieces of entertainment.

I've personally gone off big games for the time being until they go back to the principles of big games from previous generations. For now, mobile and indy games cater for that just fine.


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22 Jun 2014, 5:24 am

^^^

YES , Tomb Raider has become Dude/shoot Raider , time to get Lara back to the Tombs , I'm generally optimistic about gaming TR I'm not so sure ...


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22 Jun 2014, 4:44 pm

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I feel :oops: , I think I'm in the mist of a pc elitist, I am but a lowly console gamer :oops:



Aint much PC elitism here.

I may ramble on about gaming on PCs, but at the same time I also hate the blasted things. They often seem to be designed entirely to go insane and crash and glitch out or do loopy things like start burning themselves internally, or all sorts of other hilarious effects. And they're run by Windows for the most part. Windows is basically one giant glitch.

Consoles dont have these issues. They only die when the hardware breaks down, and that's not frequent.


I switched to PC gaming for one reason: The console game selection plummeted into the depths of stupid. While the PC gaming selection took off like a rocket.

I dont like putting up with the idiotic things, but currently I simply cannot get what I want on the consoles or handhelds, so PC it is for me.



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22 Jun 2014, 5:24 pm

^^^

I was sort of teasing , it's a autism forum after all !

I do agree with you on the gaming thing , games should go back to what they do best be games ! , not interactive movies , my most cherished franchise Tomb Raider has become Shoot Raider /Dude Raider .
Hopefully she will improve over time....


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22 Jun 2014, 5:57 pm

aussiebloke wrote:
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I was sort of teasing , it's a autism forum after all !

I do agree with you on the gaming thing , games should go back to what they do best be games ! , not interactive movies , my most cherished franchise Tomb Raider has become Shoot Raider /Dude Raider .
Hopefully she will improve over time....



Dont get your hopes up on that one too much.

The damn "cutscenes over everything" design style that's popular right now keeps getting MORE popular, and games that arent like that seem to have more and more trouble. I swear, alot of different IPs that used to be so good have just been falling apart. Though of course the 20 zillion people that buy the bloody things, movie-games though they may be, would probably disagree with me, feh.

.....come to think of it, do I even FOLLOW any actual "series" of games now? There used to be a whole bunch that I liked, such as the Monster Hunter games from Crapcom.... until they moved them onto Nintendo's godforsaken devices (me, buy a Nintendo product? Hahaha NOPE), but now..... I honestly cannot think of any. Or at least, none that arent fighting games. Beyond that genre.... huh, there's nothing left, is there. I hadnt even quite realized that before. ....and it's a depressing realization, really.

I miss the days when I could get excited about an upcoming game that was a part of some favorite franchise or other, but now.... yeah, that doesnt happen anymore. Closest thing to that now for me is expansion packs, which isnt the same.



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22 Jun 2014, 6:15 pm

^^^

I know your not a fan of GTA , this is the only franchise I follow these days , amazing they can still cause controversy , I had my fair share of "I shouldn't be doing this" moments with V


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23 Jun 2014, 8:10 am

IMHO Metal Gear Solid Phantom Pain will probably not be rubbish, hopefully one day Elder Scrolls 6 will come out those are things I look forward to but my laptop won't handle so I just baktrack to older games :)

Interestingly though, David Wong makes very similar observations to yourself http://www.cracked.com/blog/12-video-ga ... ie-part-1/ and one of these is that pay content probably is here to stay on account of the fact in some countries mobile app games are outselling consoles by a lot.



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23 Jun 2014, 9:19 am

I'm quite new to PC gaming. I recently built my first PC and run Steam via Ubuntu. There are some Windows only games that I want to play like Codemasters' F1 simulator, but I've found other games to my liking:

Football Manager 2014 (first Linux compatible edition of FM)
Half-Life (Valve shooter)
Team Fortress II (Valve shooter)
Democracy 3 (indy sim)
Game Dev Tycoon (indy sim)
Fez (indy platform/puzzle/strategy game)

I'm also enjoying open source games like Super Tux Kart, Super Tux and Pingus. There are also plenty of retro emulators available for Ubuntu as well and, for me, the picks of the bunch are Hatari (Atari ST emulator), Stella (Atari 2600 emulator) and VICE (Commodore 8-bit emulator).

This is all on a humble budget build (2.8 Ghz CPU, 2GB RAM, 160 GB hard drive) so I say yes, PC gaming is great; it's whatever you want it to be.



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23 Jun 2014, 2:37 pm

Not many people seem to agree with my view but that's OK :)

aussiebloke wrote:
^^^

YES , Tomb Raider has become Dude/shoot Raider , time to get Lara back to the Tombs , I'm generally optimistic about gaming TR I'm not so sure ...


Yes. The last Tomb Raider is a prime example of the bloated, homogenised, humourless games I was criticising. I used to really enjoy the series when it was about exploring and solving puzzles. The new one looks great but I can't summon up enough enthusiasm to sit down and play it.

For everyone who thinks gaming is in a good place: which titles (on any platform) either released in the past year or to be released in this year would you cite as examples of great games?



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23 Jun 2014, 4:39 pm

^^^
Yes I thought long and hard about it to I will not give TR a "chance" . It feels so cynical, a game made by accountants not gamers , like the original TR , such a magical game.

Current games that excite , look at JRPGS , one that really surprised me was Resonance of Fate though it's a few years old now. And believe it or not I also enjoyed the FPS Bulletstorm , theirs quite a bit of depth beneath it's dude bro exterior , I was almost going to return it to eb games , glad I stuck with it ..


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23 Jun 2014, 4:43 pm

Darks Souls 2 ?

Yes i'm aware of it's faults , I'm not one of those extremists who thinks it's perfection , what I enjoy it's so different to anything else and I enjoy it's humour !


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23 Jun 2014, 5:58 pm

Falloy wrote:
Not many people seem to agree with my view but that's OK :)

aussiebloke wrote:
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YES , Tomb Raider has become Dude/shoot Raider , time to get Lara back to the Tombs , I'm generally optimistic about gaming TR I'm not so sure ...


Yes. The last Tomb Raider is a prime example of the bloated, homogenised, humourless games I was criticising. I used to really enjoy the series when it was about exploring and solving puzzles. The new one looks great but I can't summon up enough enthusiasm to sit down and play it.

For everyone who thinks gaming is in a good place: which titles (on any platform) either released in the past year or to be released in this year would you cite as examples of great games?



Ahhhh.... that question.

There's a bloody long-winded answer to this, as I could make quite the list, but there's 2 problems with that:

1. I guarantee that 99% of the people here wont recognize most of the things on that list. A very PC-centric gaming forum might, but it wont happen here.

2. My memory is horrid. I'd end up listing something that came out 2 years ago, thinking it came out 4 months ago, or something. Everything I list WOULD be very recent titles, but within the version of "recent" that exists in my warped memory.


I'll put it this way though: I buy games often. Really often. Really REALLY often. Like, every few days or so. I do not run out of things to buy. And no, this isnt counting retro purchases; those are a whole other listing entirely. And I dont generally buy older PC games via GOG or something, as I'm not patient about dealing with older PC games on very recent PCs that WILL have a fit about them.

Also some games I could list are the kind that are just being updated constantly and also just dont really HAVE a "release" date as a result. Typically, these are major online-only titles. For example, I've been playing and loving the heck outta World of Tanks recently. That game continues to grow and inflate despite already having a damn stupid amount of content. Something like War Thunder on Steam is very similar. Or something like the variety of "mobas" out there. Dota 2, LoL, or very new ones like Infinite Crisis or the upcoming Dawngate.... these also will be and are constantly added to and changing.


But yes, most people just arent going to recognize things that I'd list. On top of that, I dont usually take an interest in AAA games..... yet I also dont actually CARE how big/small a game is. Even a very small indie game can take the spot for "best damn thing I bought in the last year". For example, I bought a game on Steam lately called "Probability 0". This is not some AAA cutscene-tastic masterpiece of bloated derp. This is a small indie title made by one guy. That being said, I think it's freaking brilliant (and freaking murderous) and it is right up my alley, and I'm absolutely loving it. Spintires, Ittle Dew, the big remake of La-Mulana, and "LUFTRAUSERS", which is apparently always written in all-caps for.... whatever reason, are other extremely recent games that I'm really enjoying and that I would consider to be "great" games.

Though again, I will buy "major" games if I think they're worth it. Got Titanfall just a short time after that came out, really loving it. It's only problem is the matchmaking from hell, at least on the PC version. Other than that... very good. But yeah, I dont really give a flying fart about them being AAA or tiny indie games. I only care about wether I think they're good or not.

And of course I could list the variety of fighting games I play; Blazblue had a recent version release a couple months back, and Persona 4 Arena has a new version that's coming up; the Japanese version comes out in August, and I'll be importing it out of sheer impatience. Those are the only console games on my lists, everything else is PC.



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23 Jun 2014, 6:10 pm

^^^

I've heard of those games :wink: , I was awestruck when the pretty girl at EB games (their not just their to make the place look better) said she was a fan of The Last Renment/ Lost Odessey , who has even heard of these games ?


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23 Jun 2014, 7:19 pm

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My main complaints about gaming are as follows:

1.) Too many games follow exactly the same formula. I feel like the FPS genre is terrible about this...most of the games are nearly identical replicas set against different backdrops.

2.) Bad plotlines/writing. Most games focus more on the action, and add in a story as an after-effect. I hardly ever feel any emotional attachment to the characters, and rarely feel immersed in the game world. Mass Effect was one series that really did a good job with this. It has it's flaws with respect to writing (I felt that many characters were highly unrealistic and one-dimensional), but overall it was far better than most games. I think that games are an excellent means for conveying a story, and have the potential to do so in a more personal fashion than books/movies due to the interactive element.

3.) No more adventure games. I'm a huge adventure game fan, but there really haven't been any decent modern ones released. Most of the good ones still follow the Sierra format popularized in the 1980s, and most still use graphics straight from the 90s too. Sure, some of them are quite good, but most of them feel and play like old DOS games, and not like anything modern. I think that there would be a solid market for an adventure game with fully modern graphics and a strong story...we'll see how the latest in the Dreamfall series turns out when it's released.


Actually, adventure games are at an all time high since the mid 90s, thanks to the indie developers. :) Recently, a 5. Broken Sword game was released, and the original Gabriel Knight is getting a full HD remake.


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23 Jun 2014, 9:16 pm

Kurgan wrote:
Stargazer43 wrote:
My main complaints about gaming are as follows:

1.) Too many games follow exactly the same formula. I feel like the FPS genre is terrible about this...most of the games are nearly identical replicas set against different backdrops.

2.) Bad plotlines/writing. Most games focus more on the action, and add in a story as an after-effect. I hardly ever feel any emotional attachment to the characters, and rarely feel immersed in the game world. Mass Effect was one series that really did a good job with this. It has it's flaws with respect to writing (I felt that many characters were highly unrealistic and one-dimensional), but overall it was far better than most games. I think that games are an excellent means for conveying a story, and have the potential to do so in a more personal fashion than books/movies due to the interactive element.

3.) No more adventure games. I'm a huge adventure game fan, but there really haven't been any decent modern ones released. Most of the good ones still follow the Sierra format popularized in the 1980s, and most still use graphics straight from the 90s too. Sure, some of them are quite good, but most of them feel and play like old DOS games, and not like anything modern. I think that there would be a solid market for an adventure game with fully modern graphics and a strong story...we'll see how the latest in the Dreamfall series turns out when it's released.


Actually, adventure games are at an all time high since the mid 90s, thanks to the indie developers. :) Recently, a 5. Broken Sword game was released, and the original Gabriel Knight is getting a full HD remake.


Not to mention that Dreamfall Chapers (sequel to The Longest Journey and Dreamfall) is being released in November this year. It's a brand new adventure game in in full 3D (and it's a pure adventure game too, no more combat and stealth sequences like they had in Dreamfall).



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23 Jun 2014, 9:59 pm

Someone needs to make an open world Zork game. That would be living the dream.