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28 Apr 2008, 8:19 pm

consoles dont stand a chance at destroying PC gaming. There may be highs and lows but never a crash. I do believe it can be possible for PCs to completely destroy console gaming if PCs became more efficient and accessible to dumb people.



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29 Apr 2008, 4:02 am

One thing that is still a huge negative for consoles is that you have to have the disk in the thing to play the game, and the casual gaming environment a console is put in isn't the kind of place that CDs/DVDs last. Nearly every console I've seen has been kept in the lving room, where people eat, drink and smoke a lot, and don't look after the disks, leaving them out of the boxes too often.

At least with a PC you install the game completely onto the hard drive, and can fit a big enough drive to do this with as many games as you want. You can also get no-cd patches for practically every game, so you don't end up wearing out your disks and ruining your copy of the games.

PCs are going to become a lot more gamer friendly, as Nvidia and AMD are both going to be working on graphics processors that are integrated into the motherboard, and both companies produce gaming GPUs. Intel will have to improve it's built in GPUs to compete, so won't be able to keep shipping it's shoddy GMA series any more. That means even the most basic computers will have the capability to play 3D games at a similar quality to consoles.

With the class action lawsuit against Microsoft (that will probably spill over to include Intel) over their branding of computers as 'Vista Ready', where they had low end GPUs from Intel that couldn't run Aero, in future your basic Vista computer is going to need better graphics, just to run the Aero interface.


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29 Apr 2008, 9:17 am

polarity wrote:
PCs are going to become a lot more gamer friendly, as Nvidia and AMD are both going to be working on graphics processors that are integrated into the motherboard, and both companies produce gaming GPUs. Intel will have to improve it's built in GPUs to compete, so won't be able to keep shipping it's shoddy GMA series any more. That means even the most basic computers will have the capability to play 3D games at a similar quality to consoles.


I have a feeling that since AMD bought out ATI, there's going to be come cooperation between Intel and nvidia for survival in the future (that is, if the upcoming Fusion chipset is actually going to be any good)...

As for the consoles, each subsequent generation is becoming more and more PC-like... the PS2 and PS3 can both run linux, and you can mod the xbox and the xbox 360 to run windows... So it could very well happen in the future that both genres sort of merge together, and then spawn off nintendo as a niche console...



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30 Apr 2008, 1:15 am

Yeah I used to PC game a lot but not really anymore. There are some good games that come out, like crysis, but you need such a good pc to play that it's only worth it on a high end system. Also, the RTS games take forever to learn well enough to be good online, and all the players are as*holes. I took counter strike off my PC and refuse to reinstall. I have never played an MMO. Consoles have the good stuff now... my fave game is guitar hero/rock band. You can get guitar hero 3 for pc... but it just wouldn't be the same.



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04 May 2008, 7:58 pm

It's a shame. Ny PC can piss all over the latests consoles on how well games perform on it.



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05 May 2008, 1:08 am

Shadowbound wrote:
It's a shame. Ny PC can piss all over the latests consoles on how well games perform on it.



ahhhh but the question is: can you run crysis?



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05 May 2008, 8:06 am

skafather84 wrote:
Shadowbound wrote:
It's a shame. Ny PC can piss all over the latests consoles on how well games perform on it.



ahhhh but the question is: can you run crysis?



:) I have to play the game with some of the settings on a mix of high and very high. PCs with more than one high end Graphics card is needed to play it all maxed out and sadly I'm not rich. :( My 8800GT was best bang for buck.



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05 May 2008, 2:46 pm

^^it's about bang for buck now. I just don't think it's worth it anymore to spend several thousand dollars so I can play the prettiest FPS at max settings alone in my room. They aren't enough good PC games out for me to justify the price of a new high end PC. I would rather spend the same money on a huge TV and a PS3, at least then I can have people over to enjoy it aswell.



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09 May 2008, 8:06 am

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^^it's about bang for buck now. I just don't think it's worth it anymore to spend several thousand dollars so I can play the prettiest FPS at max settings alone in my room. They aren't enough good PC games out for me to justify the price of a new high end PC. I would rather spend the same money on a huge TV and a PS3, at least then I can have people over to enjoy it aswell.
You wouldn't need to spend 'several thousand' to max out Crysis,you can do that with 1000-1500 if that (Depending on your definition of maxed out) and i've seen 8800GT max it out @ 12x10 (At least in Dx 9 without the Very High Hack)

Each system has their pros and cons,PC Gaming ain't dying,it may be going throught a drought,but there are plenty of other systems that went through droughts,and yet they didn't die.



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09 May 2008, 1:12 pm

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Yeah I used to PC game a lot but not really anymore. There are some good games that come out, like crysis, but you need such a good pc to play that it's only worth it on a high end system. Also, the RTS games take forever to learn well enough to be good online, and all the players are as*holes. I took counter strike off my PC and refuse to reinstall. I have never played an MMO. Consoles have the good stuff now... my fave game is guitar hero/rock band. You can get guitar hero 3 for pc... but it just wouldn't be the same.


As of now, I would rather quit video gaming or play my older games than resort to those pieces of **** the industry calls "consoles"...



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11 May 2008, 6:28 am

It isn't also fair because the Simpsons game looks good, but I only got a PC. The best PC games are usually God like games like Sims.

I got Simpsons Hit and Run, but I can't find the cheats because it wasn't usually designed for PCs. I demand more PCs games that usually good games on PS and other counsels.


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11 May 2008, 6:49 pm

Publishers are tired of gambling on the PC market. It costs money for them to add copy protection to their games, to continually release patches for rushed games. Consumers are tired of buying games that don't run on their hardware/OS, are rife with bugs...unable to return a game when the copy protection prevents it from running. PC gaming is a niche market now.

The games themselves are being geared more towards people who just want to grab a beer, jump on the couch, and mash buttons mindlessly for an hour or two. Consoles are a lot harder to pirate games for. If they decide to put out a PC port, it'll be some shoddy effort by a third party.

I wouldn't say PC gaming is dead...just that game developers are aiming at a much different audience than they were fifteen years ago.



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11 May 2008, 9:06 pm

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I love how the consoles are called next-gen. They're so last-gen compared to PCs.

I don't know how anyone can consider consoles to be the better gaming system, when their controls are so bad they need auto aim on for you to be able to hit anything.

One of the biggest complaints about console to PC ports is that they are so dumbed down compared to made-for-PC games. That says really says a lot about consoles.

I like what this guy has to say, especially about how consoles are pushed through retail, and how if all the games are digitally distributed, then the retailers won't want to sell consoles they won't be selling games for.


Mate, I can't stand PC games. Wayyyyyy to complicated for me.

That's why the new consoles are also annoying me.


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12 May 2008, 2:16 am

SabbraCadabra wrote:
Publishers are tired of gambling on the PC market. It costs money for them to add copy protection to their games, to continually release patches for rushed games. Consumers are tired of buying games that don't run on their hardware/OS, are rife with bugs...unable to return a game when the copy protection prevents it from running. PC gaming is a niche market now.

The games themselves are being geared more towards people who just want to grab a beer, jump on the couch, and mash buttons mindlessly for an hour or two. Consoles are a lot harder to pirate games for. If they decide to put out a PC port, it'll be some shoddy effort by a third party.

I wouldn't say PC gaming is dead...just that game developers are aiming at a much different audience than they were fifteen years ago.


What you're sayin is true for the wrong reasons... true, developers enjoy building only for one system, but the console manufacturers themselves want to lock the consumer in to their own "system". Apple hijacked the majority of the mp3 player market by integrating everything into a single product that Apple controlled in its entirety. If you had to repair the device, you had no other choice than to ship it to apple. From a corporate perspective, it's a successful tactic, and it's now being employed in the current generation of consoles...Corporate slavery at its finest... (Yes, I know that such corporate tactics have existed for a long time, but it's apple that proved its viability and made it famous...)



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12 May 2008, 2:30 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
...developers enjoy building only for one system...


Except they have to port to the other two consoles as well, and sometimes portables.

There was an article not too long ago about how EA wanted there to be only one console to develop for :roll:



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12 May 2008, 3:14 pm

They would rather have 2 or 3 systems to develop for than a multitude, since each PC, is, in effect, a different system from the next one (unless they have identical components), instead of the console in which every console is exactly the same pre-fabricated item...