The Fallout New Vegas topic (might be spoilers)

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Hehe I found this out today. You cannot effectively block. You can stagger them but your speed is hindered as well. Also if more than one deathclaw is in the vicinity than a melee character is screwed since your stagger and slow recovery is an opening for another claw's attack. I returned to using sniper rifles on them. Melee is an unbalanced weak method of fighting in New Vegas... so it can't be effectively used on everything where as guns can.

Also I don't remember the exact quote, but I thought about what that one post said. Something like a true ninja would fight deathclaws toe to toe. Haha a ninja wouldn't fight a deathclaw... a ninja would sneak by undetected

I just finished the Caesar's Legion quest line. I'd have to say that as much as I hate Caesar and his Legion that the end battle was actually fun. I felt it was the only end sequence that was planned out. Every other ending I've encountered felt rushed. Anyway I still hate the Legion but that ending was interesting. I've got to play an ending with mister house now and then I will have seen them all

you view the subject in to much black and white, his goals are long term, in the short term he took a bunch of wild savages and made them into a proper army, his long term is to civilize them in the ncr, and to take the flaws out of the ncr, to forge a better empire, listen to what he has to say closely, hes not doing this cause hes some evil bastered, he has long term goals, he wants to create a great empire, not a band of raping savages that he has now, his goals are, take over the ncr, settle down in there lands, civilize his army, and make a better world for every one, now its just the growing pains for his ideals,

when i first started the legion quest, i did not want to, but once i learn his plans i realize the long term will out way the short term, so Leroy the spear chucker became a proud member of the legion,


p.s. i believe he plans to start civilizing his nation once he takes vegas, give his empire there rome and teach them to be a empire, not just tribes.

p.s.s also i was drawn towards him for another reason i strongly believe the best form of government is a benign dictator ship, republic is better than a poor or cruel dictator, but a dictator whos main goal is to better the lives of his people is truly the most practical form of government. i feel ceaser is not the best man for that job, but i think his long term goals are better than the ncr, the ncr is not good, its bad, its highly corrupted, people get there farms stolen under the ncr noses and there bought off by the robber barons. ceaser is now a dick head, but he might turn out to be a great leader once the war is over. ncr on the other hand will never be a great nation imo.

Yes making things better with much butchering, raping, abuse of women, and slavery. Caesar is definitely not evil

He may have an honest vision, but he doesn't have the character for pulling off a good result.

Also, not to keep adding but Caesar's quests were majorly about neutralizing factions (Evil). So even though he may have spared NCR troops, he did have factions removed out of cowardice. He was actually a very weak ruler when you study him further than just what he says, so realistically the way he was ruling would eventually crumble or collapse.

@Cultus
You have a point, I just have a hard time seeing Caesar magically changing the ways of his Legion once he acquires what he wants. Also why I said he was a weak leader is that it is very unrealistic to create an Empire out of the people you are taking over. It's kinda the whole reason nobody has taken over the world yet. The taken tribes would up rise. Men never really forget terrible things that are done to them. So really there would be quite a bit of people pretty annoyed with Caesar under his forces and there would ultimately be a collapse in his reign.

Also I have to judge Caesar for who he is now, and not who he wants to be. His actions are crude and cruel. I can't say that I approve because he wants to be a good leader. Also ultimately you have to note that women are treated like fodder under his reign so is it really better for all under his control? I don't really think so.

Edit: You are also correct that the NCR was not any better. The only faction that I've encountered that is good is that if you take the Wild Card option and have good actions. Otherwise NCR, and Caesar's Legion both have things that are bad about them. I haven't seen Mister Houses ending yet so I don't know if his faction is supposed to be good, but I don't know because House is very full of himself and quite lofty.

being smart doesn't make you a coward, Caesar is a practical man, he wants to take s**t over, the brotherhood would never live in peace with Caesar, and the brother hood is a great at gorilla fighting, and Caesar will never be able to catch them in a formal military engagement, its ether on there terms or they will retreat. sending you the very capable person you are, he figured you would be able to rig the place to blow and get out. which you were able to do. being smart and wiping out a threat before it became dangerous isn't cowardly,

well, he wont change them, they will change on there own, the culture would rub off on them, they would still be routy and violent, thats a trait that makes good a soldier, but they would be more civil. i think it would happen to,

they would go from a war time army to a peace time army, living in the ncr territory, its the spread of ideas east to west that will civilize the east. and its the dictatorship that will get s**t done, one united empire, east and west sharing ideas he could make it a relatively great empire, considering the climate. the real Caesar did not improve the empire, he only took it over, it was his adopted son and nephew who made the empire great again, Caesar is a old man, he wont live long after he takes the ncr over, perhaps who he choices to lead after his death would make things great, and it wont be mr violent i got a big sword and a cool mask. it will most likely be you (your character)

p.s. as stated the legion fallow Caesar not his ideals, but they fallow him, and to a extant consider him a demi god, if he wants them to live in peace with the conquered ncr, they will, and they will listen to you, his greatest champion after he passes the empire to you.

hard to make a empire out of people you conquered, tell that to the roman empire, from a city state to most of Europe and parts of Asia and Africa, if the roman empire can go from a large town to all of that, i think Caesar can mange to take over and rule a fracturing republic who turns there back on there people and have low popularity, hell, after all said and done im sure the ncr would like Caesar more than the ncr, the troops will mellow out, and the people would get there land back.

keep in mind, being a dictator is a retirement plan, Augustus new this, and the best way to live long is to keep your people happy, which is why a benign dictator ship is the best form of government. Caesar is not dumb, he has the angles plan out, now hes a blood thirsty conquer, in peace he will be a man of the people.

you might be thinking to your self, how do you know this, well, i did the quest, and i really listen to him, i could tell as a character there more to him that he lets on, at the end, he told me about his ideology, and i understood what he meant by it, his hopes are to have the exchange of culture, turning his land into some thing civilize, and freeing the ncr from its corrupt bureaucracy that steels from the people. he truly wants to make the world a better place, even if he has to drag it through hell first. after learning that i truly was moved by him, i understood him very well. and agreed with him, i my self felt the same way for years now. about the republic of the usa, that what we need is a man who is very smart and his interest are the people of the usa and the improvement of our nation, and not what it is today, a floundering republic who interest are in the people who payed to get them into office.

on a side, note, related to the thread, i have to say new vegas is my favorite rpg, better than 1 2 and 3 imo.

I'm understanding your point about America being sucktastic, but I don't think a group like Caesar's Legion would be the answer to be honest. Believe me I'm sure if your interest is politics you could beat me in a debate, but really I'd think there would be more of an answer than enslaving roughly 50% of the population and then annexing territory to build our military and converting the world to our beliefs to stretch an empire. Also it's quite obvious we saw very different things in Caesar. You listened to his goals, where as I have judged him for his actions. I don't see poor actions having merit because they have a greater goal in mind. Since I'm sure we think differently and see things differently, I don't think this discussion would ever really end so I'll just make the effort and say you have some pretty good/valid points, but I disagree as I'm sure you disagree with me.

Back to the main discussion though . I've got a character that is already level 30 on the path to work with Mister House

I'm getting kinda sad because I'm so close to the Platinum trophy for this game. I'm sure I'll still play New Vegas after I complete it but something always feels not right once I play and the trophies are gone. I guess it's because once I get all of the trophies in a game it feels like I've done everything. Although New Vegas didn't give a trophy for everything so I'm sure there's loads of stuff I've not discovered yet

I just realized that I've not gambled once and I've pretty much finished every other trophy. Once I work with House I guess I'll have to gamble to mop up those awards. Seriously I hate having trophies for pointless things. Why should I have to gamble until I get kicked out of every casino on the strip? Sounds boring, but if I don't do it I can't get 100%

i did say Caesar is not the best choice for a dictator, and the world of new vegas is not the world now, there wont be any slaving half the population, Caesar world is a barbaric world, were only pockets of civilization lie in a wasteland of barbary. Caesar made a good first step civilizing the area east of the ncr, will he succeed maybe maybe not, but its the closest any ones bin so far to making a true civilization, far closer than the ncr will get imo, so i say you can back the corrupt government, the man who wants to make a little bit of land awesome, or the guy who wants to bring law and order to a lawless land. is Caesar perfect, no. but i feel like hes the best shot in actually getting some thing done and making the world livable.

p.s keep in mind the best military leader doesn't always make the best civilian leader, the original Caesar did not manage his land for long, he died, it was his son/nephew Augustus who made Rome great again, and i believe you(your character) will be the new vegas's Augustus if you side with Caesar,

America is not sucktastic, it just has governing problems, well, the east coast and west coast are not sucktastic, the middle of the usa sucks, the coast are cool, personally imo, we should just split this country up, give the west coast and the east cost there own country's so we can stop paying for the 'middle' America and having there ignorant masses control our federal politics.

Grr I want to back hand the jerk who made the gambling in New Vegas. Does anybody know a good way to make alot of money in the Casinos in the strip? I'm trying to go for the award "The courier who broke the bank". I'm already rich in the game, so this trophy is very annoying

Edit: Hmm, It seems black jack gives the most likely chance to win money so far. I have no Idea what I'm doing. I just bet the max bet then hit double down and I end up doubling my money most of the time Haha that's pretty funny. I have to rely on the game telling me I won or I'd never know

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young padawan, you wish to learn the secret of black jack, start low double your bet every time, you will always win your minimal bet. if you want to cheat, win a few times, save, win a few times save, if you lose a few reload wait one min.

and did you ever think achievements ruin the fun of games, i cant give 2 s**ts about in game achievements, unless there some thing truly awesome, like lich king 25 man hard mode pre 15% buff.

my advice to you, f**k the achievements and enjoy the game. if you WANT to gamble, than gamble, if you don't than don't.

I figured I did everything else so I might as well do the gambling awards. I only complete games I like so I wanted to finish New Vegas even though I hate gambling. Seriously, that probably took 8 hours of my life for no reason. Caravan was easy though. That only took an hour because there is a fool-proof way to win that game. Anyway, I just got the platinum

But yes, I am a recovering award addict