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28 Jul 2012, 6:30 pm

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your premise fails on one thing, it ony takes a single exception to disprove a theory, in this case a blatant assumption

besides do a google scholar search for all the hundreds of studies proving your point if you really want to sway anyone.

others here have already had plenty of actual counter arguments, still unadressed.



again there is no difference between various formats of fiction,
you can say there is a difference in how one engages in them.

i think you should try looking at how little you obviosuly know about video games and take a look at the dunning effect.

you are the one making the assertion so the burden of proof lies on you in the end, show us how and why computer games are by their very nature bad, remember a single exception and its bull.


If you think exceptions are relevant, then you clearly haven't been paying attention.



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28 Jul 2012, 6:56 pm

in any discipline in academia exceptions are extremely important.

since you wanted to make a statement as if it were fact it falls under the same scrutiny.

had you made a better formulated statement like say, many video games hold no intellectual value, i wouldnt disagree, you didnt,

how did you put that again??

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28 Jul 2012, 7:09 pm

Is this an academy? Didn't think so.

You said you didn't disagree with "many video games hold no intellectual value", so I'll thank you for agreeing with me.



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28 Jul 2012, 7:13 pm

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Is this an academy? Didn't think so.


no but then again that has very little to do with academia and the aproach to that on this site,

almost everything on this site that isnt explicitly presented as personal opinion is taken as fact and fact is academia.


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28 Jul 2012, 7:18 pm

Oodain wrote:
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Is this an academy? Didn't think so.


no but then again that has very little to do with academia and the aproach to that on this site,

almost everything on this site that isnt explicitly presented as personal opinion is taken as fact and fact is academia.


Be careful, you're confusing how you interpret things with how everyone else on this site interprets things.



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28 Jul 2012, 7:47 pm

BreezeGod wrote:
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Is this an academy? Didn't think so.


no but then again that has very little to do with academia and the aproach to that on this site,

almost everything on this site that isnt explicitly presented as personal opinion is taken as fact and fact is academia.


Be careful, you're confusing how you interpret things with how everyone else on this site interprets things.


to an extent that is probably true,

something that reflects in where i am active.

on the other hand you will find threads about generalizations and assertions and there are plenty of people there that expressed similar views, so at least i know im not entirely alone.

a quick read will show you that there are plenty really literal minded people on these boards, there are plenty of misunderstandings and plenty of grief because of that.

thing is, it's fairly easy to provide proper qualifiers where aplicable, while learning a skill you are inherently disadvantaged in is not, i am not saying i dont forget to do just that but i hope people will call me out on it when it happens.


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28 Jul 2012, 11:21 pm

I still don't understand how this is not a computer game:
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Is this not a game either then? I learned the planets from this one:
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29 Jul 2012, 3:06 am

Oodain wrote:
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Is this an academy? Didn't think so.


no but then again that has very little to do with academia and the aproach to that on this site,

almost everything on this site that isnt explicitly presented as personal opinion is taken as fact and fact is academia.


Be careful, you're confusing how you interpret things with how everyone else on this site interprets things.


to an extent that is probably true,

something that reflects in where i am active.

on the other hand you will find threads about generalizations and assertions and there are plenty of people there that expressed similar views, so at least i know im not entirely alone.

a quick read will show you that there are plenty really literal minded people on these boards, there are plenty of misunderstandings and plenty of grief because of that.

thing is, it's fairly easy to provide proper qualifiers where aplicable, while learning a skill you are inherently disadvantaged in is not, i am not saying i dont forget to do just that but i hope people will call me out on it when it happens.


Instead of expecting others to accomodate for your problem, maybe you should try harder and see if you can figure out what people actually mean rather than interpreting everything literally. People aren't going to start posting like they're typing a research paper or science journal.

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I still don't understand how this is not a computer game:


No one has ever been called a gamer for playing those games.



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29 Jul 2012, 3:17 am

Video games are much like writing or acting, they give you an escape from reality, an escape to be someone else and completely escape your worries.

For me, it is a very therapeutic way of expression and video games can be as just as expressive as writing or acting.



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29 Jul 2012, 3:28 am

I feel addicted to the internet as well. It relaxes me. But I don't miss it when I am at work or doing other things or away from home. My mother says I have an addictive personality.


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29 Jul 2012, 4:49 am

BreezeGod wrote:
Instead of expecting others to accomodate for your problem, maybe you should try harder and see if you can figure out what people actually mean rather than interpreting everything literally. People aren't going to start posting like they're typing a research paper or science journal.


If you don't want to "accommodate" and have problems with people taking things literally then why are you a neurotypical posting on an aspergers forum? Many people with aspergers do take things literally and are not good at figuring out what people mean if it's something other than what they actually say.



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29 Jul 2012, 5:26 am

hanyo wrote:
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Instead of expecting others to accomodate for your problem, maybe you should try harder and see if you can figure out what people actually mean rather than interpreting everything literally. People aren't going to start posting like they're typing a research paper or science journal.


If you don't want to "accommodate" and have problems with people taking things literally then why are you a neurotypical posting on an aspergers forum? Many people with aspergers do take things literally and are not good at figuring out what people mean if it's something other than what they actually say.


And many people with Aspergers don't take things too literally.

You can't expect everyone else to shape the world just for you. If someone tells you that you're taking what they say too literally, take that as a life lesson and try to be more careful next time.



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29 Jul 2012, 7:13 am

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It's all about what kinds of things you watch and do. The vast majority of video games are really not educational in any way, while there are a significant amount programs on TV that are at least somewhat educational.


This is a very irrelevant point. An educational documentary, and a show designed for entertainment, is like comparing apples and oranges. Comparing The History Channel to Bones is like comparing Math Blaster to Call of Duty.

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Likewise, there's plenty of educational books as well.


And reading Twilight is just as non-educational as watching Bones or playing Call of Duty. So what? When you compare educational reading, educational video games, and educational TV (or the entertainment versions thereof) and can demonstrate that one is better than the other two, come back and talk.

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And more importantly, people don't spend ridiculous amounts of time watching tv or reading books.


You really need to stop smoking so much crack, mate. The sheer amount of TV watched by the average American is higher these days than it's ever been.

http://www.csun.edu/science/health/docs/tv&health.html

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According to the A.C. Nielsen Co., the average American watches more than 4 hours of TV each day (or 28 hours/week, or 2 months of nonstop TV-watching per year).

Percentage of Americans who say they watch too much TV: 49
Number of minutes per week that the average child watches television: 1,680
Hours per year the average American youth spends in school: 900 hours
Hours per year the average American youth watches television: 1500


As for the books, that tends to be a lot less common, but I also know people who literally spend all day glued into a book, like my step-dad's sister.

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Video games rot your brain at twice the rate as television.


Citation, please.



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29 Jul 2012, 7:42 am

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It's all about what kinds of things you watch and do. The vast majority of video games are really not educational in any way, while there are a significant amount programs on TV that are at least somewhat educational.


This is a very irrelevant point. An educational documentary, and a show designed for entertainment, is like comparing apples and oranges. Comparing The History Channel to Bones is like comparing Math Blaster to Call of Duty. The point is, shows designed for entertainment aren't any more educational than video games designed for entertainment, so what point are you really trying to make?

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Likewise, there's plenty of educational books as well.


And reading Twilight is just as non-educational as watching Bones or playing Call of Duty. So what? When you compare educational reading, educational video games, and educational TV and can demonstrate that one is better than the other two, come back and talk.


There's actually a significant amount of people that actually watch and read educational shows and books. Educational video games may exist, but there aren't many people who play them. And they're usually targeted towards children.

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You really need to stop smoking so much crack, mate. The sheer amount of TV watched by the average American is higher these days than it's ever been.

http://www.csun.edu/science/health/docs/tv&health.html


Wow, and video games are twice as bad as this.

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As for the books, that tends to be a lot less common, but I also know people who literally spend all day glued into a book, like my step-dad's sister. Also, I noticed you failed to take internet usage into account. Lotta time wasting there too!


Unlike video games, you don't hear stories of people neglecting their children to read a book. Getting addicted to books isn't really a good thing either, but that really doesn't happen as often.

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Citation, please. Also, please make sure your citation is able to very precisely define what "rot your brain" exactly entails. Remember when people said the same thing about comic books?


Since when did I need citations for my jokes?

I wish I didn't have to explain this, but I didn't literally mean video games are twice as bad as TV. If you treat video games just like another past time, good for you. The problem is that getting addicted to them tends to happen more often and with greater intensity. There's a reason you don't hear stories of people dying because they spent 3 days watching TV.



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29 Jul 2012, 8:43 am

BreezeGod wrote:
hanyo wrote:
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Instead of expecting others to accomodate for your problem, maybe you should try harder and see if you can figure out what people actually mean rather than interpreting everything literally. People aren't going to start posting like they're typing a research paper or science journal.


If you don't want to "accommodate" and have problems with people taking things literally then why are you a neurotypical posting on an aspergers forum? Many people with aspergers do take things literally and are not good at figuring out what people mean if it's something other than what they actually say.


And many people with Aspergers don't take things too literally.

You can't expect everyone else to shape the world just for you. If someone tells you that you're taking what they say too literally, take that as a life lesson and try to be more careful next time.


yet the exact same thing can be said to you about your behavior in relation to this board, you shouldnt expect people here to give any credence to anything but proper wording and citation, on wp saying excactly what you mean and nothing more is expected, if you really always thought of it as a joke then it was in very very bad taste.

as for accomodating, that is one of the exact reasons these boards are here, so we dont have to accomodate these things and can communicate on our own premise.


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29 Jul 2012, 8:54 am

So games are only counted as videogames if they are "hardcore" videogames?

You are allowedrojse documentaries as an example of educational television, but when I do that with vjdekgames ot doesn't count...


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