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29 Aug 2007, 3:03 pm

Yeah, that was a good story-especially for the time! I thought Metal Gear Solid 1 had a really great story, and 2....well....sort of. I probably at to work at likening it (fat guy on roller skates...kind of breaks the suspension of disbelief!)

Metal Gear Solid 3 to me was completely broken. The camera angles/control don't let you see well enough to avoid enemies by seeing where they are, and they removed the radar! Yeah, the radar is a crutch to make up for not being able to tell just by looking at the graphics, but if they want to remove it, they need to first FIX the way the game's displayed so it isn't needed!

I know some people love it, but to me it really is completely unplayable.



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29 Aug 2007, 3:55 pm

Yes I agree, Metal Gear Solid 1 had a great story. It almost felt like watching a very good movie. I especially liked how they rendered that character Sniper Wolf, I thought it was really convincing. She turned out not really to be evil to the bone, even though she fought Solid Snake and made the capture of Meryl possible. I liked the other characters as well, especially Otacon who had a crush on Sniper Wolf, but didn't really hate Solid Snake for killing her nevertheless. Like an intricate triangle. I think it's really good psychology, almost like literature but in a computer game.

I couldn't really master the controls though, and kept fighting with the camera. I eventually played the game out by setting the difficulty level to "very easy" which made me feel a little incapable. :oops: I basically had the same unplayability problem with MG Solid 1 which you described having with MG Solid 3. :oops:

For that same reason I never really played MG Solid 2 and 3. I'm not sure what to expect from MG Solid 4... I guess we'll just have to wait and see.



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29 Aug 2007, 4:33 pm

Is MGS1 really old enough to be counted as one of the classics? 8O



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29 Aug 2007, 5:45 pm

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Is MGS1 really old enough to be counted as one of the classics? 8O


It IS considered the best game ever on PSOne.

I played the demo, had to get the real version, and just kept playing and playing.

It's fun when you get the stealth suit.

MGS1 is the only shooting game that I can actually finish.

I wish I could play the original metal gears though.


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29 Aug 2007, 6:09 pm

I didn't say "is it GOOD enough", I asked if it was OLD enough. Personally, I don't think of PSOne-era games as classics. I think of "Classic Games" as being anything up until the release of the 5th generation consoles. MGS1 is still a "Modern Game" by my books.



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29 Aug 2007, 6:48 pm

Wolfpup wrote:
Yeah, that was a good story-especially for the time! I thought Metal Gear Solid 1 had a really great story, and 2....well....sort of. I probably at to work at likening it (fat guy on roller skates...kind of breaks the suspension of disbelief!)

Metal Gear Solid 3 to me was completely broken. The camera angles/control don't let you see well enough to avoid enemies by seeing where they are, and they removed the radar! Yeah, the radar is a crutch to make up for not being able to tell just by looking at the graphics, but if they want to remove it, they need to first FIX the way the game's displayed so it isn't needed!

I know some people love it, but to me it really is completely unplayable.


I waited until the release of Subsistence to get the third game. I haven't played the vanilla third game, but I can say that Subsistence definitely had a far superior control system to MGS1&2. The new camera system is much more intuitive, useful and atmospheric.



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29 Aug 2007, 7:27 pm

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I didn't say "is it GOOD enough", I asked if it was OLD enough. Personally, I don't think of PSOne-era games as classics. I think of "Classic Games" as being anything up until the release of the 5th generation consoles. MGS1 is still a "Modern Game" by my books.


Sorry, my bad.

Anything Nintendo 64 and back I reckon is old enough.

PSOnes are a little too new.

I haven't played any of the new consoles, and I doubt I ever will. Gaming seems to have gone downhill.

Give me Super Paperboy over Final Fantasy XII anyday.


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29 Aug 2007, 7:46 pm

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Give me Super Paperboy over Final Fantasy XII anyday.


8O

Blasphemy!! !! !!

Now if you said one of the SNES era FF games, I might've forgiven you, but this???


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29 Aug 2007, 8:03 pm

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Kezzstar wrote:
Give me Super Paperboy over Final Fantasy XII anyday.


8O

Blasphemy!! !! !!

Now if you said one of the SNES era FF games, I might've forgiven you, but this???


Fine, FFX I know sucks, and FFXII looks too complicated.

The simplier Final Fantasy games, like VII and VIII were great. IX was a bit meh.

I should go home and get my disc of really cool Sega games and come back and play it. Maybe I'll bring my Nintendo ones too, and you can walk me through the early FF games :P


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30 Aug 2007, 3:16 pm

Nafydalgol wrote:
...I especially liked how they rendered that character Sniper Wolf, I thought it was really convincing...


Yeah, she was a really interesting character. I liked her a LOT more than anyone in the later games. Seemed much more believable, and much more sympathetic.

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I couldn't really master the controls though, and kept fighting with the camera. I eventually played the game out by setting the difficulty level to "very easy" which made me feel a little incapable. :oops: I basically had the same unplayability problem with MG Solid 1 which you described having with MG Solid 3. :oops:


As far as I'm concerned MSG3 is 100x worse than MGS1 or 2 in that regard...except some people think it's great, so who knows.

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It IS considered the best game ever on PSOne.


Personally I'd consider it one of the best games on the Playstation 1. I'd add stuff like Final Fantasy 7, 8, and 9, the three Resident Evil games, of course Symphony of the Night, and there's tons of other great games too like the Tomba games, and heck, even Jumping Flash.

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I waited until the release of Subsistence to get the third game. I haven't played the vanilla third game, but I can say that Subsistence definitely had a far superior control system to MGS1&2. The new camera system is much more intuitive, useful and atmospheric.


That's the one I played, and I couldn't make it work with either camera scheme. To me it was completely unplayable, and I honestly don't understand how people would keep playing past the first section...but I know tons of people love it.

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Kezzstar wrote:
Give me Super Paperboy over Final Fantasy XII anyday.


8O

Blasphemy!! !! !!

Now if you said one of the SNES era FF games, I might've forgiven you, but this???


Yeah, really. If Paperboy was the best gaming had to offer, I wouldn't play games. I really had virtually no interest in games until I played more complex PC stuff back in the early 80's and then the NES, with stuff like Zelda and Super Mario Bros. and Metroid, etc. Stuff that had real substance and depth to it and provided hours of playtime. I don't care about minigames (one of the reasons I'm not crazy about what Nintendo's turning into recently-heck, I literally finished with Wii Sports in less than a half hour, and NEVER want to have to touch it again.)

Personally I liked Final Fantasy 6 better than 12 though (any of 6-10-2 better than 12).



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30 Aug 2007, 8:59 pm

I'm sorry to disappoint, but I like simple gameplay. Complex gameplay, like PS2 and beyond, is too complex for me. I suck at gaming, full stop.

The only game I DON'T suck at is Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine for SMSII. But that's a simple puzzle game.

I suck full stop.


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30 Aug 2007, 10:28 pm

I dunno, Puyo Puyo (or Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine) is pretty complex. At least, it seems to be going off the number of people I've tried to get to play against me and could never understand chain reactions and so on.

Btw, anyone who wants to play that game multiplayer over the net, feel free to ask me. I'd love to have a game against someone in my free time.



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30 Aug 2007, 11:15 pm

Enigmatic_Oddity wrote:
I dunno, Puyo Puyo (or Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine) is pretty complex. At least, it seems to be going off the number of people I've tried to get to play against me and could never understand chain reactions and so on.

Btw, anyone who wants to play that game multiplayer over the net, feel free to ask me. I'd love to have a game against someone in my free time.


Bring it on!! !! !! !! ! I need some competition, no one seems to come close! They see the beans fall at a million miles an hour and they're confused as to how I do it so fast. I beat my boyfriend last night. :)

Give me a time and a date (in AEST) and I'll be there!


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30 Aug 2007, 11:25 pm

Wolfpup wrote:
I love modern games, and I don't like games that are overly simple (ie Pacman, arcade games of that era).

My own big complaint is I love 2D gameplay (and graphics!) and we don't see enough of either. Once consoles started being able to do 3D, a lot of series were randomly shoe-horned into 3D for no reason. Take Mario as an example. A lot of people like the two 3D Mario games. I don't, but regardless, they really have little to to with the Super Mario Bros./World gameplay.

I'd LOVE to see (for example) the complete power of a Playstation 3 put towards a sequel to Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. 100's of MB of gorgeous art on screen all the time...

The other thing I'd like is games to be made a bit easier or more playable. I think in general things have improved, but I *HATE* when I invest a bunch of time (and money!) in a game and then get STUCK somewhere that I think isn't fair, or when the difficulty takes a sudden spike or something like that.



castlevania is another game that was best in 2d...and so was megaman (i'll never forgive capcom for megaman 64...or pretty much anything they've done with megaman lately).



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31 Aug 2007, 3:53 am

Have you seen Odin Sphere for the PS2? That's supposed to be a bit like 2D Castlevania but with more focus on action, and the art is rather gorgeous to look at. One of the best looking current-gen 2D games.



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31 Aug 2007, 9:59 am

Yeah, I REAAAAALLY considered getting that, but it finally decided against it because it sounds like it would get too hard. I should probably rent it though. The graphics are absolutely gorgeous. I can't imagine what the full power of the Playstation 3 or 360 could do with 2D!