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29 Jul 2012, 9:07 am

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Instead of expecting others to accomodate for your problem, maybe you should try harder and see if you can figure out what people actually mean rather than interpreting everything literally. People aren't going to start posting like they're typing a research paper or science journal.


If you don't want to "accommodate" and have problems with people taking things literally then why are you a neurotypical posting on an aspergers forum? Many people with aspergers do take things literally and are not good at figuring out what people mean if it's something other than what they actually say.


And many people with Aspergers don't take things too literally.

You can't expect everyone else to shape the world just for you. If someone tells you that you're taking what they say too literally, take that as a life lesson and try to be more careful next time.


yet the exact same thing can be said to you about your behavior in relation to this board, you shouldnt expect people here to give any credence to anything but proper wording and citation, on wp saying excactly what you mean and nothing more is expected, if you really always thought of it as a joke then it was in very very bad taste.


Most people here still don't take everything that's said literally most of the time, or ask for citations all the time. In fact, it only happens when I say something that they disagree with.

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as for accomodating, that is one of the exact reasons these boards are here, so we dont have to accomodate these things and can communicate on our own premise.


Which only further damages your communication skills. Instead of retreating to a place that accomodates for your weakness, perhaps you should work on improving it?

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So games are only counted as videogames if they are "hardcore" videogames?

You are allowedrojse documentaries as an example of educational television, but when I do that with vjdekgames ot doesn't count...


No my friend, games are only counted if there's a significant amount of people who play them.



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29 Jul 2012, 9:15 am

I don't think a significant percentage of television watched is documentaries.

And breezegod most things here are taken literally


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29 Jul 2012, 9:26 am

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I don't think a significant percentage of television watched is documentaries.


There's more than just documentaries. And it's probably higher than the percentage of gamers who play jumpstart.

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And breezegod most things here are taken literally


That's not a good thing then.



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29 Jul 2012, 9:34 am

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I don't think a significant percentage of television watched is documentaries.


There's more than just documentaries. And it's probably higher than the percentage of gamers who play jumpstart.

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And breezegod most things here are taken literally


That's not a good thing then.
and there ar other games that are beneficial, I learned a decent amount from age of empires.

Do you know anything about autism?

Sorry for crappy grammar on last few posts, on my phone.


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29 Jul 2012, 9:36 am

I did take your "twice as fast" comment literally, and I've got years of experience at not doing that. And the "apologize to people who watch tv" part was just plain offensive towards gamers.

And you know what I like about WP? I can be more like myself and less like I'm expected to be. I'd daresay I'm not the only one feeling that way. I make an effort to fit in in the world. Here, in our world, you should be the one making that effort.

I've lived in many different households in different countries, and documentaries or educational programs were very rare. TV watched is mostly entertainment. Telenovelas, reality shows, pseudo-real documentaries with loads of shouting, films, it was all entertainment with varying degrees of quality. (wild thought: I miss Galileo, im Pro Sieben :lol:) I'll look for an statistic when I have more time,

And why didn't you reply to my previous post?


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29 Jul 2012, 9:54 am

Delphiki wrote:
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I don't think a significant percentage of television watched is documentaries.


There's more than just documentaries. And it's probably higher than the percentage of gamers who play jumpstart.

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And breezegod most things here are taken literally


That's not a good thing then.

and there ar other games that are beneficial, I learned a decent amount from age of empires.


The amount of history you actually learn from games like age of empires and civilization only scratches the surface of what really happened. But I'll give you that one.

Good job, you've shown that video games are only just as bad as television.

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Do you know anything about autism?


I know enough to know that it's not really an excuse, unless you have severe autism.

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I did take your "twice as fast" comment literally, and I've got years of experience at not doing that. And the "apologize to people who watch tv" part was just plain offensive towards gamers.


Really? I wasn't offended by myself.

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And you know what I like about WP? I can be more like myself and less like I'm expected to be. I'd daresay I'm not the only one feeling that way. I make an effort to fit in in the world. Here, in our world, you should be the one making that effort.


My apologies. I swear I will never joke again (I'm joking).

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I've lived in many different households in different countries, and documentaries were very rare. TV watched is mostly entertainment. I'll look for an statistic when I have more time,


I listed more than just documentaries. I'm sure a lot of people watch the news, for example.

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And why didn't you reply to my previous post?


You didn't say anything that I blatantly disagreed with.



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29 Jul 2012, 9:59 am

I wasn't using it as an excuse, you were saying that being literal was a bad thing on an autism site.

Glad you finally came to the realization that videogames aren't worse than tv


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29 Jul 2012, 10:04 am

Oh I'm not really against joking. But it should be made a bit clearer next time. The problem now is that you said that we should all be less literal minded, instead of you being more careful, and I disagree there.

Oh... then a quick post saying that you didn't disagreed or something never hurts~ It's a good way to wrap up a conversation.


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29 Jul 2012, 10:14 am

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Glad you finally came to the realization that videogames aren't worse than tv


Yes, it turns out television is twice as bad as I originally thought!

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The problem now is that you said that we should all be less literal minded, instead of you being more careful, and I disagree there.


You're going to have communication problems with everyone, including other autists, if you're too literal minded. And I didn't even know you were interpreting it that way until after Oodain started asking for citations.



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29 Jul 2012, 10:38 am

BreezeGod wrote:
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Glad you finally came to the realization that videogames aren't worse than tv


Yes, it turns out television is twice as bad as I originally thought!

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The problem now is that you said that we should all be less literal minded, instead of you being more careful, and I disagree there.


You're going to have communication problems with everyone, including other autists, if you're too literal minded. And I didn't even know you were interpreting it that way until after Oodain started asking for citations.
you didn't address part of my post. A lot of people on this site are very literal, on this site it is the norm. Why should he have to clarify to you he was being literal? You should have clarified that you were not. Why is it bad for someone to be literal minded?


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you didn't address part of my post. A lot of people on this site are very literal, on this site it is the norm. Why should he have to clarify to you he was being literal? You should have clarified that you were not.


And here I thought you'd be happy to be treated the same way as everyone else.

You'd be surprised how often people take things literally everywhere else on the internet too. I hardly notice a difference most of the time.

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Why is it bad for someone to be literal minded?


Because it tends to have a correlation with your ability to take a joke. Oh, and it leads to communication issues.



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29 Jul 2012, 11:10 am

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you didn't address part of my post. A lot of people on this site are very literal, on this site it is the norm. Why should he have to clarify to you he was being literal? You should have clarified that you were not.


And here I thought you'd be happy to be treated the same way as everyone else.

You'd be surprised how often people take things literally everywhere else on the internet too. I hardly notice a difference most of the time.

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Why is it bad for someone to be literal minded?


Because it tends to have a correlation with your ability to take a joke. Oh, and it leads to communication issues.
I don't know what you mean by the bolded part. Unless you were saying I was making an excuse. I was just saying (for this site) you should have clarified that you were not being literal, Shatbat didn't need to clarify that he was.

Being literal can be an issue humor wise, I don't usually understand sarcasm from other people. But I still get humor and like to make jokes, I am "witty". It can lead to communication issues- sure, along with many other things. So people should completely change an aspect of themselves so they will fit into society better, nice plan.


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30 Jul 2012, 3:03 am

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There's actually a significant amount of people that actually watch and read educational shows and books. Educational video games may exist, but there aren't many people who play them. And they're usually targeted towards children.


So? You haven't addressed the main point still. When people are in the mood for education, they'll watch documentaries and read educational books. When they want to be simply entertained, they'll watch shows designed for entertainment. Unless you can demonstrate that it's better to watch entertainment-based TV such as Bones than it is to play entertainment-based games such as Call of Duty or Bejeweled, the whole point is irrelevant.

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Wow, and video games are twice as bad as this.


Citation, please.

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Unlike video games, you don't hear stories of people neglecting their children to read a book. Getting addicted to books isn't really a good thing either, but that really doesn't happen as often.


How do you know that this is not merely an effect of people having TV to watch instead of books? Given a choice between books and TV, people tend to choose TV. You'd have a correlation at best here. You would need to demonstrate that, without the option of playing games or watching TV, that people from an otherwise modern society would not develop strong addictions to books.

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Since when did I need citations for my jokes?


Didn't sound like a joke, but even if it was it wouldn't hurt to back up such authoritative statements of fact with a little something something. You do realize you ARE, in fact, on a board for people with ASDs right? And that one of their biggest trademarks is how they tend to take speech literally? Coming in here and expecting people to easily weave through your subtle jokes and non-literal meanings would be a bit dull-witted, don't you think?

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The problem is that getting addicted to them tends to happen more often and with greater intensity.


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There's a reason you don't hear stories of people dying because they spent 3 days watching TV.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... sleep.html

It was on the first page googling "person died from watching TV straight for too long". Apparently the stories are out there. But...

You could have a partial point. When I did some quick research on people who died from playing video games too much, they were all MMOs. I didn't find stories about people dying from playing Sonic the Hedgehog or Fable 3. They were all playing games like Starcraft and Aion.

It would be foolish to state "video games cause people to play themselves to death!" when it's only a certain subtype of games that are causing that particular problem. That would be like saying "Too many people get injured playing rugby, therefore golf is dangerous to your health!"

Show me a story of someone who played themselves to death on Bejeweled and I'll start being more convinced.



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30 Jul 2012, 5:07 am

Shau wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... sleep.html

It was on the first page googling "person died from watching TV straight for too long". Apparently the stories are out there. But...

You could have a partial point. When I did some quick research on people who died from playing video games too much, they were all MMOs. I didn't find stories about people dying from playing Sonic the Hedgehog or Fable 3. They were all playing games like Starcraft and Aion.

It would be foolish to state "video games cause people to play themselves to death!" when it's only a certain subtype of games that are causing that particular problem. That would be like saying "Too many people get injured playing rugby, therefore golf is dangerous to your health!"

Show me a story of someone who played themselves to death on Bejeweled and I'll start being more convinced.


An even narrower spectrum would be to say that these deaths happen in ASIA more then the rest of the world.

It would be very sad if someone died from playing too much Bejeweled, but as a Gaming Joke it would be so funny.


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30 Jul 2012, 7:59 am

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An even narrower spectrum would be to say that these deaths happen in ASIA more then the rest of the world.


Good point! I noticed the exact same thing as well, but was reluctant to state "It's only the Asians that seem to be playing themselves to death, by and large. It's almost ALWAYS some guy in Asia, and it's almost ALWAYS some guy playing an MMO."

So his argument is basically reduced to "We shouldn't let Asians play MMOs".

[edit] I would also like to point out that a lot of types of games can be extremely educational and entertaining at the same time. I used to play a game back in the day for the SNES called P.T.O. (Pacific Theatre of Operations), a strategy game that had you re-enact (or completely mess up!) the historical events of WWII between the US and the Japanese.

I first learned the vast majority of what happened during WWII in the Pacific playing this game: The defense of Midway... the battles at Guadacanal, Port Moresby, and Rabaul....the US assault on the Mariana Islands (Saipan etc)...the Japanese ransacking Manchuria...

I knew about NONE of this stuff before playing this game, and it was historically accurate as point of pride.. The only thing I knew about the Pacific war before that game was that the Japanese surprise attacked us at Pearl Harbor, and that we retaliated by kicking their asses and finishing it off with a couple of atom bombs.

Plus, I probably learned a shedload about resource management and planning. Because it was a strategy game, you had to manage a ton of crap: Where to distribute resources such as ammo, building materials, bombers, fighters, and rockets, how much to spend on each, how to establish and protect shipping lines, when and where to send your ships, what to do with them when they got there (attack a base? Defend a base? Harass supply lines? Engage an enemy fleet?), when to build ships and how fast, types of ships you should build, what specs to give them, which technologies to develop first, how to deal with the locals of bases you've taken over (Spend more on civilian population to appease them, or bolster your base?), how to deal with requests for armaments and technologies from other countries, how to appease other countries and possibly sway them to your side (You could actually get Thailand to join the war against Japan, for example), and a variety of other things I've either forgotten to mention or didn't think back hard enough to remember.

And, you also had to control your ships, troops, airplanes, etc once the battle started. Anyone familiar with Advance Wars will get an idea of what it was kinda like. You going to tell me that I didn't gain lots of valuable planning and management skills from all that? That's speaking nothing of the huge amounts of knowledge I gained about WWII from playing it.



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30 Jul 2012, 10:48 pm

I has it.


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