What is your gaming platform of choice and why.

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I prefer the PS3 because most of my favorite survival horror games are for the PS1 and PS2 and since a lot of them are now available as downloads on the Playstation Store I can get them and play them again, including some of the ones I never got to play when I had a PS1 and a PS2. Also there's a lot of game franchises that I really like that are exclusive to the PS3 like the Uncharted and Yakuza series, and just about all the other games I like that are out on the Xbox 360 are also out on the PS3.

Plus when I had an Xbox 360 I remember I went through two of them in a couple of years because they both broke on me and had to get replaced. When I got a PS3 it never gave me any kind of problems like the Xbox 360 did.

I realize this.

I'm just afraid they might move in this direction in the future. The share button was the first step down that road.

So Sony doesn't force people to do anything with social media the same way Microsoft doesn't force people to do anything with social media and that's why they are able to sell circles around Microsoft? Get your facts straight. Not only is Microsoft not forcing anyone to do anything with social media, Sony is not selling circles around them either. Also, when you have some evidence that Microsoft is failing, please share it. They're doing pretty good so far.

My PC hands down.

It's a beast and I love it.


My second choice would be xbox360 for the live features, but ps3 for the game controller and better overall graphics, also the exclusive games made just for playstation far out weigh xbox's. I am a big Halo fan, but I'd choose Heavy Rain or Beyond Two Souls over it any day.

I agree with everything you listed except the bit about the titles being cheaper. In my experience it's been the exact opposite, but I guess that's because I buy my xbox and playstation games at used video game shops. I just wish they had those kind of stores for PC games, or at least the stores already there sold used PC games too, but I know there isn't really a market for it..

1. I haven't claimed that Microsoft is forcing social media, I was referring to idiotic methods that force more stuff on the consumer than they want, something that microsoft's Xbox one has been notorious for since before it even hit the shelves. That's how sony can sell circles around them, and with ease I might add. The only reason xbone has been getting the sales that it has been is because microsoft decided to kiss some serious *ss and hope their fanboys will pony up the money to buy their sh*t product, and consumers are dumb enough to do it too.

2. The Xbone is an even bigger piece of sh*t than the original 360's were. Three words: Disk Drive Failure. Enough said about the xbone, but in case that's not enough for you, required camera at $100 extra expense than Sony's PS4. Again, a fail because it's not even needed to play games, they're just shoving the product down their consumers' throats. Microsoft has focused so much on an "all in one system" (their words, not mine) that they've lost sight of what people want in a gaming console, and that's to only play games. In case you forgot, when they announced their xbone, they didn't even mention games, instead they focused entirely on tv and sports related stuff that they added to the system, stuff that most game consumers either don't want, or don't need. The fact is, the only reason that microsoft removed their DRM policy was because they found out their crappy system was going to bomb because of it.

Microsoft is being run into the ground because they're instituting bullsh*t policies around their products, alienating their customers, shoving things down consumers' throats that they don't need (at the expense of the consumer, mind you), and putting stuff in their product that costs them more money to create/add/etc than they bring in with sales.

Telling me to "Get the facts straight"? I think you should rethink that one while looking up the facts (provided below) that you so carelessly seemed to overlook in your own supposed research (which you didn't do) before posting your thoughts (a.k.a. counter-argument) on the subject. Have a nice day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu7jHLsW-5s

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-p ... 0-6417668/ (I would call an early lead of over a million sales to be designated as "selling circles around microsoft", I'm pretty sure most would agree)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/ ... es-so-far/

You said, and I quote, "Sony doesn't force people to do anything with social media though, that's why they are able to sell circles around Microsoft"
The implication is that they are selling circles around Microsoft because Microsoft is forcing social media on people.

Microsoft is selling because it has better games available than Sony right now. It's a great console with great features.


Any part can fail on any console. There's no argument there at all. The Kinect is really nice for both games and extra features. I just finished playing Tomb Raider: The Definitive Edition and was very pleased with how the Kinect improved the game experience. Being able to run in a circle, dodging enemies and give voice commands to change weapons as opposed to having to take your thumb off of the control stick to do so is a good thing. An all in one console is a great idea. I take it you didn't watch the original Xbox One reveal because they did mention games, several games. However, it's a given that a console can play games so the focused a lot of their time showing the new stuff and features the console would have. Obviously some people are too dumb to realize that a game console would play games, but that's hardly Microsoft's fault. I actually wish MS had kept the DRM since playing games without having to use the disk is a great feature.


You must have a very different idea of what being run into the ground means. Microsoft is no where close to being run into the ground. You keep using the argument about what people need. Who are you to say what people need? By your logic, I hope you're not gaming on anything newer than a Gamecube, the last console that only played games. You don't need to play CDs on your Sega Saturn or original Playstation. You don't need to play DVDs on a Playstation 2 or Xbox. You don't need to play Blu Rays on PS3. You don't need to watch Netflix or Hulu on any of the newer systems. You clearly don't have any idea what people need or anything about Microsoft's policies.


The Forbes article you mentioned sums it up pretty nice. Sony had a week's head start, is released in far more territories than Xbox One and is $100 cheaper. None of those have any relation to the "quality" of the console. If Sony hadn't sold more they would be in terrible shape. But the fact that they only have a million more units sold when you factor in those 3 advantages that have nothing to do with the quality of the console itself is not that surprising.

That's not the implication that was on that phrase, and had you read what I've just highlighted in bold, explaining exactly that, you'd know that. Please do read my posts carefully instead of ignoring what I've said I'm talking about and substituting your own bull. Doing so would save you from pointlessly typing nonsense and it would save me from having to respond accordingly and likely starting a idiotic debate about what I know I'm talking about versus what you think I'm talking about.

The reason microsoft is selling right now has very little to do with the games that are out for it. If microsoft had kept their crappy policies, they would've lost so much more than they already are, it's not even funny, they know that, that's why they changed stuff to begin with. If they actually cared about the product itself, they wouldn't cram it full of sh*t that people can use a computer for, 10 times easier. They're desperate to make money, and they're making mistakes that is costing them customers. The fact that Sony is ahead in the game by a million units (which is f*ing huge btw) tells me that a good bit of users who would've gone to xbone before hearing all of it's crappy features (which again, were/are/or going to be implemented by microsoft themselves, at the expense of the customer), have instead gone with PS4 because they don't like the product that microsoft is putting out there. A million units can make or break a console, and since we know that microsoft's products have had insurmountable failure rates over the past 2 console generations so far, both with a component that failed in terms of hardware performance, either straight out of the box, or close there-after, is it any wonder why people are going with sony instead? Seriously, would you pay $600 or more for a product that breaks down the first week? Of course not, doing so would be a huge waste of money. Some of us have had the foresight enough to not bother with microsoft this time around.


1. Customers do not want to spend $600 on something that is going to break the first week they get it (as stated above), the fact is that microsoft's products for the past 2 generations of consoles have had such huge hardware issues, that it's almost negligent not to point it out. Microsoft's seemingly ongoing hardware malfunctions should not go un-noted and ignored just because people want to believe that they'll make the product better next time around.
If you were looking to buy a new computer, wouldn't you want to know if that particular model has the possibility of having defective parts? Absolutely you would, any sensible consumer would. That's the point.

2. The Kinect would be nice, if it weren't a required piece of hardware in order for the system to work. Having an option is good, having it shoved down everyone's throat at extra expense is not.

3. The problem is not that people aren't smart enough to expect to be able to play games on a game console, people didn't know what the graphics were going to look like, nor how the games would play better on xbone than 360 or to what degree, none of that was covered by microsoft at E3. Microsoft decided that wasn't information that was worth sharing to their customers. That's part of the reason gamers were p**sed about it.

4. The DRM and other such features, would have required (again, shoved down consumers' throats) a constant internet check-in process (every 24 hours) to make sure they were playing legitimate games bought from legitimate sources, failing that check-in time would've resulting in players not being able to play their games. So for $600 and a lost internet connection for over a day or so, you'd have a giant brick in plastic.


Again, you're ignoring what I've stated; Microsoft did not need to force people to buy/use the Kinect, period, there's no viable reason that the system should be made in such a way, especially at $100 extra. There is no reason whatsoever that can justify not letting each consumer buy it separately themselves if they chose to do so. It was completely unnecessary. That's what I was talking about when I said that people don't "need" it.
Also, out of all of the extra options you just listed as examples, literally none of them were a requirement at extra expense on the consumer, they were features that were added in for those who wanted to use them, at no extra cost to the system itself. Your comparison is flawed.


If the PS4 had bad hardware, people would be hearing about it by now, just like they have been with xbone. The fact that we're not hearing about such failure, is a testament to the quality of the product itself. People want a reliable product, they want their money's worth (as I've stated a few times now), they won't buy substandard or defective products, even if it were just a rumor, that would drop sales in favor of the competitor. The quality of the console is just as much a part of this process as region, time, and cost have been. If there were something wrong with the ps4, buyers would get the news out there, and people wouldn't buy it. They could sell a console for literally half the price and in every corner of the world, but if the product is faulty, sales will drop like a stone in the ocean because people wouldn't buy it, they certainly wouldn't reach 4.2 million sales under that circumstance.
We live in the age of instant information, if there is information about a product to be found, good or bad, it is generally public knowledge thanks to the way of the internet.

Where in the world are you buying PC games from, that they're NOT cheaper? Particularly if you're into indie games.... I buy *alot* of games, as I'm a total impulse buyer with no practical spending limits most of the time, and for me they're usually not just cheaper, but DRAMATICALLY cheaper. I aint talking games that have been out for ages, either. I'm not patient enough to wait for price drops or things like that.

I buy my games from Steam. I play a lot of indie games too but even some of those are more expensive than the xbox games I get. The used video game store where I buy my xbox games, cost 1.99 to 17.99 for recent popular title games that have just been used. The cheapest steam game I've gotten (Not including 2 or 3 I downloaded for free) was 2.99, but most average from 15-40 bucks.
I do like taking advantage of the steam bundles though. They are unbeatable in that regard. I got the whole Sherlock Holmes series for 60 bucks. And the whole Miridian4 title games for 10 bucks.

....buh?

What store are you buying the console games from?

Only got bloody Gamestops in most areas remotely near where I'm at.... and the difference between used/new is usually like, 4 dollars, if that, for anything recent.... bloody horrid store, really. Any of them. There's like 9 of the damn things within 25 miles of here.

Yeah I hate Gamestop for used or trade ins, even.

It's a local video game store called Game-X-Change. You can bring games, DVDs, books, game guides, game consoles, controllers, ipods, cameras, even mini fridges into the store and trade them in for either cash or store credit.

They give a decent amount of cash but give out a LOT of store credit that can be saved on the account. I'm the kind of person that will play MOST games once and be done with them so this store is perfect for me.

Games like Sleeping Dogs, Dishonored, Metro Last Light etc, I will never play more than once so as soon as I'm done I go and trade them in, get store credit and use the store credit to get a new game or two. It saves me loads of money.

I just wish I could do that with PC games. Since I got my new PC, I've only gotten a handful of games. Most were purchased as bundles, and then maybe 2 separate ones.

Sometimes even when I don't have any games to trade in but I really want a new game, I'll just trade in one of my xbox controllers (since I have 4) or some DVD's I don't watch anymore so I get store credit and can get another game. Then when I get more money I just buy my controller back from the same store.

The only thing I will use GameStop for is to preorder games, but now I'm not even going to be doing that anymore because the last few games I preordered I 1) Didn't even need to preorder it since they had so many copies left and 2) It usually costs an extra 5$ (excluding COD: Ghosts, that preorder was free for some reason). 3) All the games I preordered didn't wind up being worth it (I didn't like the games and wound up returning them in a matter of days).

Halo 4 I preordered and returned in about a week. COD: Ghosts, preordered and returned in 2-3 days. XCOM: The Bureau preordered and returned in a day. I think I'm just done with preordering.

Depends on what games we're talking about. For retro gaming, adventure gaming and strategy gaming, PC (Windows) is the best choice; for FPS and driving games, I choose the PS3.

I just went by what you said. I even quoted it directly in my last message. If that's not what you meant or you didn't state it clearly that's fine.


Then why is it selling?


Like what? What is crammed into the Xbox One that is not crammed on to the PS4 that people can use a computer for 10 times easier? The new version of Kinect is not available on PC so I'm not sure what else you could be talking about.


Like I said, I hope MS does re-instate, at some level, the features they removed. Being able to play games 100% diskless would be great. Being able to share my games with people on my friends list in a diskless fashion would have been great. Granted, there are some work arounds Microsoft needs to do to get around the constant internet connection for people in the military or whatever like if there is no internet connection then a disk is required, but that's something that can be worked out later. As to hardware failures, both the original Xbox and Playstation 2 had numerous hardware failures. The first version of the Xbox 360 had the RROD issue but Microsoft stepped up and extended the warranty to 3 years which is almost unheard of. So far, PS4 has had more problems than Xbox One. Fortunately, not hardware related but at least hardware can be replaced. Saved game data and profile data that the PS4 has erased cannot.
Also, I'm assuming you don't live in the US. If you do, the Xbox One is $500, not $600.


Again, the original Xbox problems were fairly minor and could easily be fixed by swapping the DVD ROM drive. Much harder to do on the PS2 which had the same issue. Yes, the first release of the Xbox 360 had the RRoD problem which Microsoft fixed by extending the warranty. Since the Xbox Slim came out in 2010, this problem has been fixed and so far there are no major hardware problems of note with Xbox One. Sony, on the other hand, has had their entire network hacked in 2011 with user information stolen and now the PS4 is deleting user's save game data, profile data and game installs. Neither company makes consoles that are 100% perfect 100% of the time.


Except then there is less incentive for developers to make use of it. Why would the developers implement Kinect only features into a game if they're unsure how many users would have a Kinect to take advantage of it?


Not only did they show games at the original announcement event they killed it at E3 with games. Just about every media group at E3 said Microsoft won when it came to games shown. Games Microsoft showed at E3 were:
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
World of Tanks
Halo
Sunset Overdrive
Killer Instinct
Forza Motorsport 5
Quantum Break
Powerstar Golf
Dead Rising 3
Titanfall
Ryse: Son of Rome
Battlefield 4
Kinect Sports Rivals
Lost Planet 3
Assassin's Creed IV
Watch Dogs
Brothers
D4
. . . and more

But you're right, I guess Microsoft didn't show any games . . .



Yes, for people at military positions where internet access is limited, this would have been a problem. For the vast, vast majority of gamers this would have been a non issue. I don't know a single person who has been without internet for over 24 hours at their home and I'd bet you don't either.


I already told you why it was included. I guarantee you Kinect will have far better dev support than the PS Camera because it is included with every console. When a developer makes a game for the Xbox One, they know that 100% of the people playing that game will have a Kinect and thus can dedicate resources developing features to take advantage of it. Of all the people I know with PS4s, not a single one of them own the camera option. What incentive is there for developers to make use of the camera if only a small percentage of users actually own one?


I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make here as there are no hardware issues/failures with Xbox One. Nothing. Zero. Zilch. The Forbes article summed it up nicely as I said previously. A week's head start, multiple regions, $100 less expensive, etc.

lmao rotfl

So sorry, I had to laugh at that comment. Clearly you didn't see the post where I proved that it does.
If you were to go to youtube and search: (hell, I'll do it for you) http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... ilure&sm=3
You'd find that not only does it have hardware issues, but apparently software issues as well.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu7jHLsW-5s[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ijX81NepU0[/youtube]

I rest my case.

As far as the kinect is concerned, not everyone wants to use such a feature, that's my point, if people aren't interested in it to begin with, they sure as h*ll aren't going to buy games that use it, just because it's required for the xbone doesn't mean that developers are going to get more money from games that use it. People that don't want it are being forced to buy it with the system. Microsoft included it as a mandatory purchase when buying the system and worse, it's required for the system to work at all. That's the biggest slap in consumers faces that has yet to occur.

In PS4 sales, again, those aren't the only reasons sony is ahead. The reason PS4 is cheaper is because they're not forcing a second hardware purchase just to get the system.

As far as the rest, I'm pretty much done with the conversation. I've given evidence to back up my claims not to mention proof that the system itself is crap and why, as well as reasons that it's a bad purchase.
You on the other hand, have given no links to back anything up, and your statements have been proven wrong more than once already. It's painfully obvious that you haven't bothered to look up this information and I won't continue explaining my reasoning pointlessly because nothing anyone says to you will change your mind, or convince you of xbone's obvious inferiority to the PS4. I have no doubt within a few years they'll fix some of the problems that the system has, but given microsoft's track record with systems that come broken in the box, I hold no hopes for the company's gaming future, because there frankly isn't one, at least, not for those of us who've sat and watched this train wreck from a distance while actually realizing what a waste it is to spend money on their products.
Since you're obviously a fan of microsoft who doesn't mind spending their money on their products (for better or worse... mostly worse), I wish you luck with that.

......really? Are we going to have the super-cliche'd Xbox VS Playstation arguement here? Ugh. And about hardware failure this time? Hint: Both are capable of failing, just like any other device. I've witnessed both 360s and PS3s fail hard and die over the years myself. These new ones aint gonna be any different.

Well at least you aint screaming at each other yet. See enough of this on Youtube.

Did I mention I'm glad I dont do consoles anymore? Because I'm glad I dont do consoles anymore.

The only reason a console war going on even still is because microsoft won't admit defeat.
I have no intention of "screaming" at anyone btw. In fact, I could care less what console is better, I prefer nintendo as of late. If PS4 were the one that sucked, I'd talk about ps4 exactly the same way I've talked about xbone.