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27 Apr 2010, 2:20 pm

I was introduced to pokemon by my cousins in the late 90's. I remember going to see the movies, collecting the cards, playing Yellow and Silver for hours on end, and renting pokemon stadium and bringing it to my friends house. I loved pokemon. But as the years go by and the umpteenth pokemon game is released, I just can't help but seeing that it's gone stale. Each new game only introduces a new region and new pokemon, but not new game mechanics or better graphics. I don't mind 2d, but at this point where pokemon graphics inch forward at a snails pace(Ruby, Sapphire, LG, FR, Diamond, pearl, platinum, SS, and HG have almost the same graphical quality.), can't they just go ahead and make it like stadium's graphics which made the game more fun? And can't they introduce new things? I mean, past the 2002/2003 mark I just didn't see pokemon going anywhere in terms of graphics and in terms of mechanics, it's been the same since the beginning.

Ever since my diamond game was stolen a week after I bought it(along with my ds lite) I haven't bought a new pokemon game because I had decided that the game wasn't worth it. It was getting old and boring. Although I will buy SS eventually(Silver was one of my first games and has great nostalgia value to me), I just don't see Pokemon going anywhere anymore. It's dead to me. Does anyone else feel this way?



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27 Apr 2010, 3:57 pm

idk about you, but the redeeming quality of pokemon for me is that things don't really change with the exception of the pokemon and new HM's. It's really relaxing for me...



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27 Apr 2010, 3:57 pm

At least the metagame is still good.



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27 Apr 2010, 6:02 pm

It is a good game, but they could at least mix things up a bit like FF did. And they're running out of ideas. They've already been retreading the same basis for certain pokemon ever since R/S/E.

I like Spectrobes now much more than pokemon because each and every game is different in terms of how the game plays as well as little things. Spectrobes one was isometric 3d and you could only control the main character and tell the spectrobes to attack. The second one was sort of over the shoulder third person and instead of telling the spectrobes to attack, you could control them individually. Spectrobes Origins, the third game in the series was a blend of the other in terms of combat. If you played by yourself, you controlled the main character and told a spectrobe to attack and if you played co op, you played the main character while the second player took independent control of the spectrobe. It's because of this that spectrobes has kept my interest despite having a crappy story and reusing much of the same levels in each title. The game mechanics changed in each game instead of their just being more spectrobes to collect as well as new areas. Besides that, each game featured other non-combat related game mechanics in bulk. In the second game, environmental affects were added to fossil excavation like blowing away shifting sand, vacuuming water, etc. The third game had a fossil excavating system that was in full 3d and required you to rotate the chunk of rock that you were digging through as you worked.

I'm sorry for any grammar issues that might impede your understanding of what I'm trying to say. I tend to be disorganizational when getting points accross via writing.



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27 Apr 2010, 6:07 pm

have you played collesium on the game cube? staidum 3d graphics with you actually running around battling and catching pokemon



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28 Apr 2010, 3:09 am

ShenLong wrote:
It is a good game, but they could at least mix things up a bit like FF did. And they're running out of ideas. They've already been retreading the same basis for certain pokemon ever since R/S/E.

Alterations of FF proportions, assuming it means Final Fantasy, would ruin the meta-game through compatibility issues.
But there is still room for spin-offs in the franchise. Mystery Dungeon and Ranger seem to be doing fairly well.


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28 Apr 2010, 3:49 am

bully_on_speed wrote:
have you played collesium on the game cube? staidum 3d graphics with you actually running around battling and catching pokemon


Well that's true, except you forgot to mention that the graphics are FAR better than that! :) It's one of the best games I've ever owned for the GameCube, as well as Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness, and I'll play them again and again because they bring back wonderful memories, plus they're fun as!!

Well, thread poster, I suppose that if you've given Pokemon enough of a chance but have still given up on it... well that's it! Maybe you could take a hiatus from Pokemon, just to cure the staleness, or just quit altogether. Pokemon isn't for everybody. *shrug*


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28 Apr 2010, 6:55 am

Although simulators kind of ruin the idea of training a team for competitive battling.



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16 May 2010, 11:23 pm

If Pokemon is getting stale for you, maybe you'd enjoy games that are themed on the Pokemon idea.

I played a neat little game that started out up to 12 players on a small world. Each player could capture up to 3 different pokemon and train them. They had 30 minutes to capture and train their pokemon of choice. When the time was up, the game then started an elimination tournament between all the players. During the battle, you could call or send back any of your 3 pokemon, and you were allowed only one out at a time. I loved that game, although it was a bit imbalanced, it was still really fun.

I played another themed on the Naruto world. It pitted players against each other, elimination style. Each player had 100 health and 100 mana, and a set of moves related to their Naruto character of choice. To be good, you had to know your characters moves as well as your opponents, so you could develop a strategy to effectively fight them. It was very action packed.


These games were made by regular people, not by any official company. Games getting stale is just a fact of life. I've been saying how games are getting stale for the last 7 or so years. Sure, there are some cool little features nowadays, but a lot of games are just rehashes now. At least, thats how I see it.


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17 May 2010, 2:49 am

Fo-Rum wrote:
If Pokemon is getting stale for you, maybe you'd enjoy games that are themed on the Pokemon idea.

I played a neat little game that started out up to 12 players on a small world. Each player could capture up to 3 different pokemon and train them. They had 30 minutes to capture and train their pokemon of choice. When the time was up, the game then started an elimination tournament between all the players. During the battle, you could call or send back any of your 3 pokemon, and you were allowed only one out at a time. I loved that game, although it was a bit imbalanced, it was still really fun.

I played another themed on the Naruto world. It pitted players against each other, elimination style. Each player had 100 health and 100 mana, and a set of moves related to their Naruto character of choice. To be good, you had to know your characters moves as well as your opponents, so you could develop a strategy to effectively fight them. It was very action packed.


These games were made by regular people, not by any official company. Games getting stale is just a fact of life. I've been saying how games are getting stale for the last 7 or so years. Sure, there are some cool little features nowadays, but a lot of games are just rehashes now. At least, thats how I see it.

And let's remember that even blatant rehashes are always new for somebody.


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19 May 2010, 3:47 pm

I feel that it's stale as well. I was part of the first generation of Pokemaniacs so the amount of change that the little world I knew and loved has undergone is a little overwhelming with me. When they brought out the second gen. I thought 'Okay, it doesn't make much sense that advanced people apparently 'only discovered' these new species, then somehow go into another region and it's chocked full of them' but I let that go and gave them a chance. I definately didn't like them as much as the originals but some of them - especially the new evolutions of original families - grew on me. Then came the third generation; which was ret*d. Then the fourth; practically all of them look like Digimon or are blatant replicas of existing animals (it used to be that 90% of Pokemon had that 'WTF am I looking at?' factor). And the fifth gen isn't looking too promising either v.v
Having said all that, even though I think the franchaise is degrading, it certainly won't take away from how much I adore the ones I came to love over a decade ago