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15 Oct 2010, 3:23 pm

^^ Greetings everyone. I do hope this is alrighty that I ask some questions concerning Fallout 3. However I am very sorry as I believe shall contain some sneaky spoilers for the story line.




^^ Hello everyone. I believe that I have happily completed the main quest of Fallout 3 today and enjoyed this very much indeed - I believe Fawkes is very magical. However, may I please ask, for which reason did the Enclave (not the President) wish to use the purifier? I am very sorry if this is a common question.


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15 Oct 2010, 3:57 pm

The Enclave wanted to control the Capital Wasteland by controlling access to the fresh water (and also, they didn't want the BoS or whoever else doing it instead of them.)

'course, the whole plot is pretty damn stupid 'cause filtering water is pretty easy, but hey. :lol:


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15 Oct 2010, 4:02 pm

^^Yaye thank you very much for answering my question Ambivalence. May I please ask, in this case, would perhaps cleaning the water be a little more difficult than filtering? I believe this is perhaps due to the fact that I believe the dirty water was irradiated and not simply dirty.

^^ I am very sorry if this is silly of me however.


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15 Oct 2010, 4:49 pm

^^^Yeah, I'd say it's a bit harder to de-irradiate the water than to merely filter it.

However, Fallout 3's plot is a badly implemented rehash of Fallout 2's plot---that's what really makes it lame.

Still, Fallout 3 was an enjoyable game, and without it we would not have Fallout: New Vegas. So, I can overlook it's lame plot.

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You didn't make poor Fawkes fix the purifier did you? 8O

I always make the girl do it.
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15 Oct 2010, 5:00 pm

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^^^Yeah, I'd say it's a bit harder to de-irradiate the water than to merely filter it.

However, Fallout 3's plot is a badly implemented rehash of Fallout 2's plot---that's what really makes it lame.

Still, Fallout 3 was an enjoyable game, and without it we would not have Fallout: New Vegas. So, I can overlook it's lame plot.

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You didn't make poor Fawkes fix the purifier did you? 8O

I always make the girl do it.
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^^Yaye thankee for replying GoonSquad. ^^ I believe I sacrificed my happy self to fix the purifier.


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15 Oct 2010, 5:11 pm

^^^ Good man!





Fawkes isn't much for subtlety but you couldn't ask for a better tank/diversion!

I don't see anyone close to his like in New Vegas... I'm gonna miss that. :cry:


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15 Oct 2010, 5:25 pm

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^^^Yeah, I'd say it's a bit harder to de-irradiate the water than to merely filter it.


It's exactly as easy to de-irradiate the water as it is to filter it. That's why it's silly. Water can't be irradiated, it can only have bits of radioactive junk floating in it. Which can be filtered out pretty easily. :)

But heck, super mutants and rayguns. :lol:


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15 Oct 2010, 5:31 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
^^^ Good man!





Fawkes isn't much for subtlety but you couldn't ask for a better tank/diversion!

I don't see anyone close to his like in New Vegas... I'm gonna miss that. :cry:


You never know... Maybe we'll get a recruitable deathclaw instead. :P

As for the plot, it's not the greatest out there. I don't think it was ever made spefically clear as to why the enclave wanted the purifier except for assuming controlling it.


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15 Oct 2010, 6:22 pm

Ambivalence wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
^^^Yeah, I'd say it's a bit harder to de-irradiate the water than to merely filter it.


It's exactly as easy to de-irradiate the water as it is to filter it. That's why it's silly. Water can't be irradiated, it can only have bits of radioactive junk floating in it. Which can be filtered out pretty easily. :)

But heck, super mutants and rayguns. :lol:


Well, I thought neutron radiation, abundant in nuclear explosions, could make the water itself radioactive--what with the hydrogen and oxygen atoms absorbing extra neutrons and such... But I REALLY don't know. So, I'll take your word. :?


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15 Oct 2010, 8:57 pm

Well I don't have avy DLC so as a good character I had no coice but to go in myself, and I had spent so much time storing all the Enclave weapons and arnour I found. I am probably less likely now to focus on completing main quests, I could die.

I understand that Fawkes can in DLC, but he isimune to it and was really pushy for me to sacrafice myself.


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16 Oct 2010, 3:44 am

^^Yaye thank you for your replies everyone.


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17 Oct 2010, 1:38 am

I was curious as to why the president's plan was bad. The president wanted to put a virus in the water that would kill all who were contaminated by radiation like ghouls and super mutants. That is bad why? I understand Fawkes would die and non feral ghouls. But the ghouls go feral inevitably and Fawkes was one in a million... what would have been so bad about releasing the virus? I gave the virus to the brotherhood and they said they would dispose of it without asking what it was to do. I'm confused on the immorality that using the virus would have done. It would have helped save whatever humans were left.

I guess arguably there couldn't be a virus for radiated beings when everyone would have at least some radiation in that world so a virus would have likely killed everyone >_<. that is unless it would have only killed heavily radiated beings, but how would a virus distinguish that?

I guess I still wanted the brotherhood to have the purifier and not the enclave because they just wanted to use it for themselves, but I thought the president had a good idea even though he didn't have very good followers.

Anyway I convinced the president to kill himself because I decided the enclave shouldn't have a base... and the poor president had no influence on the stupid enclave members anyway.



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17 Oct 2010, 3:50 am

I thought it has been said that many the humans who have lived through the effects of the Fall out in the land have some minor mutations from water sources and such that would make them affected by the virus.


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17 Oct 2010, 4:54 am

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I thought it has been said that many the humans who have lived through the effects of the Fall out in the land have some minor mutations from water sources and such that would make them affected by the virus.


Yeah, it's implied that just about everyone in the wasteland would be killed by the President's plan, even the superficially normal.


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17 Oct 2010, 6:36 am

Talis wrote:
I was curious as to why the president's plan was bad. The president wanted to put a virus in the water that would kill all who were contaminated by radiation like ghouls and super mutants. That is bad why? I understand Fawkes would die and non feral ghouls. But the ghouls go feral inevitably and Fawkes was one in a million... what would have been so bad about releasing the virus? I gave the virus to the brotherhood and they said they would dispose of it without asking what it was to do. I'm confused on the immorality that using the virus would have done. It would have helped save whatever humans were left.

I guess arguably there couldn't be a virus for radiated beings when everyone would have at least some radiation in that world so a virus would have likely killed everyone >_<. that is unless it would have only killed heavily radiated beings, but how would a virus distinguish that?

I guess I still wanted the brotherhood to have the purifier and not the enclave because they just wanted to use it for themselves, but I thought the president had a good idea even though he didn't have very good followers.

Anyway I convinced the president to kill himself because I decided the enclave shouldn't have a base... and the poor president had no influence on the stupid enclave members anyway.


If you take the ending where you use the Modified FEV in the purifier, it's implied that quite a number of wastelanders die as a result of the virus leaving only the "pure-bred" Enclave people behind.

If one continues on with the DLC after that, you'll find the Aqua Pure water from the Purifier actually weakens the player character, so in theory, it would also kill the Lone Wanderer in time as well. (Even though the LW shouldn't technically be mutated... I don't think?)

Basically, it's just a eugenics plan. Eugenics=Immoral and unethical.


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17 Oct 2010, 8:01 am

^^^ Also, if you're familiar with the lore of Fallout (rather than just this game) you'd know that MOST Ghouls do not become feral and MOST Supermutants are not ret*d monsters.

Plus, as already stated, FEV tends to be harmful to those with even the slightest mutation, which would include nearly everyone in the wasteland.

Finally, if you have problems seeing the immorality of the president's plan, substitute the word JEW for GHOUL and you'll get the idea... :wink:


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