P2P MMORPG'S WORTH THE MONTHLY FEE

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Hiya

I'm just wondering if anyone could recommend some good P2P MMORPG'S to me.

I've thought about WoW, but I hated the free trial, and tried it at least 4 times, given 2-6 hrs per try. Still, from what I'm told the cool stuff happens at the lvl cap but with all of the expansions it would be so freaking expensive... Ugh! I also heard WoW has been dumbed down, in order to attract a large audience. I cannot stand games that do that. Plus who am I kidding. I'm a PVP head, and I doubt I could become anything but a bug to be squashed by the long time members.

I would just like to know what you play and enjoy. I'm tired of the F2P Game I am playing.

Please no high spec requirements my computer is only so good.

Dark Age of Camelot, Warhammer Online, Aion.

Arrrr! Bounty Bay.

If you're after something for a more 'grown up' audience than WoW (and a game which is anything but dumbed down), there is always EVE:Online.

(caution, loud music)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNU1cC-e1qU[/youtube]

Over the course of the last year, the company behind the game, CCP, got a lot of grief over not listening to their players, and started to lose a lot of subscriptions, but they really turned around and impressed everyone with the winter expansion, and now one of the biggest complaints on the forums, is that people no longer have anything to complain about (they really did fix a lot of the problems that players had with the game). Anyway, I cancelled my final WoW account for the last time (Blizzard just ignored all the complaints on their forums), and resubbed the 2 EVE accounts I'd suspended.

The game is extremely complex, and requires that you learn a huge amount to understand absolutely everything that it's possible to do in it. There are equivalents to a lot of the other careers in other MMOs, with industry, mining, missions (questing), incursions (raiding), but the PVP is way ahead of what you'll find in any other MMO. You die in EVE, you don't get to respawn with all your gear intact. You get your ship blown up, and you have to buy another (if you're not in the kind of corporation that replaces your ships so long as you fight for them). And the fleet vs fleet battles can be absolutely huge.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0M7jkv3xkQ[/youtube]

In that video he mentions Red vs Blue, which is basically a pair of corporations in the game, that are constantly in a state of war against each other (which means they can attack each other in high-security space without concord interfering). They'll accept players of any age who are interested in endless PVP. Alternatively, if you'd like a more rounded introduction to the game, there is another corporation, EVE University, which was set up to help new players get past the huge learning curve. They have courses that cover practically every part of the game, and anyone who graduates should have no problems finding a corporation that suits their interests, as the Uni is very highly regarded in the game (I'm in EVE University, and don't plan to leave any time soon, as I'm still learning after a year in the game).

Lastly, EVE does not have separate servers where you could be on a different realm from your friends. There is just one server for everyone, and at the moment it's averaging between around 25k and 45k players online over the course of the day. I don't know how many subscribers they have in total, but the game has been running longer than WoW, and unlike that game, isn't losing customers (in fact the fixes brought a lot back).

they use a large park of servers with each region using a different virtual server run on that park,

when a larger number of players enter a single system more resources are dedicated to that virtual instance, though the largest trade hubs have run on dedicated servers for a while now as they require a huge response with thousands of people in the same system.

as i understand it they use their own software for this purpose and it is quite impressive.

Well here's the latest devblog on how they're handling lag:

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3284

I love how CCP are willing to share what they're doing with the players, and keep us up to date about what they're doing, while I really hated how Blizzard treated all of their customers like idiots, and essentially lied to us about wanting to fix things.

This is the range of ship sizes for the Amarr race:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0O3Xl6a4wc[/youtube]

The PvP is pretty avoidable in high sec, where concord are guaranteed to destroy anyone who attacks you first. You just have to have the sense not to fly something with expensive modules or cargo, and no tank, as most suicide ganking is done where the cost of the ships needed to destroy the target before Concord show up, is lower than the value of the loot they can pick up after. That leaves a few genuine gankers who blow up ships for a laugh, but they'll be doing it at a loss.

One of the changes in the latest expansion was that there are no longer insurance payouts for people who get destroyed by Concord, so they now have to pay more to gank a target (who will get the insurance, although it still only covers a fraction of the value of their ship's hull).

Making money is pretty easy once you've got established in the game, and most players should be able to pay for their game time through in game activities (incursions in particular are a great way to make currency, but they do require a good ship, that will take several months to train for. Basically 5 hours of incursions should pay for a month's game time).

Eve is definitely worth the money
And you can go premium for free if you earn enough with a 21-60 day trial. If you're really good you'll never ever have to pay for Eve and once you go premium you can stop being a bottomfeeder and do so much more.

Starcraft seems like it would be fun and extremely full of depth, but I could never get into space-spaceship games, and water battles, or airplane/jet combat type of games. I guess I'm just a ground based player type. I also read Starcraft can take a pretty hefty machine, especially in the highest settings. I like to have classes like mage-shaman-champion-knight-paladin-cleric-necromancer-bourg-artisan-shooter types, and races like human-gnome-panda-other random monster types... I know it's typical.

EVE is worth 2 subscriptions x) like I have ;D

i dropped out years ago and when i came back CVA was in a pickle and i cvouldnt get my spacelegs back it seems.

now i have to resup just to try.