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27 Sep 2014, 11:17 pm

Does anyone out there think Mincraft is over rated now. Sure it was cool when it first came out, but now its just dumb.



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27 Sep 2014, 11:26 pm

Microsoft just bought Minecraft and the company that made it so if you think it's dumb now, it'll get worse. Just remember what happened to Rareware.


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28 Sep 2014, 1:27 am

You can do some pretty cool things in the game if you have the time and motivation. It is a bit overrated in my opinion though.
Like most games that catch my interest, I went completely obsessive and then lost interest a few months later.

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Microsoft just bought Minecraft and the company that made it so if you think it's dumb now, it'll get worse. Just remember what happened to Rareware.

Wow, I hadn't heard about that.
That sucks. Microsoft ruins everything in my opinion, just like Google.



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28 Sep 2014, 2:42 am

M$ has already vowed not to change anything. Multiple times.

As I'd stated in a different post, doing things like trying to make it exclusive or changing it ARENT the reasons they made that deal. If THAT was the reason, it actually wouldnt be worth anything remotely near 2 billion.

And on top of that, you dont make a deal involving a completely insane amount of cash without RESEARCHING THE FUNKY HELL OUTTA IT. They're full aware of what'll happen to it if they try to change anything. It'd cost them a seriously absurd amount of money if they did that. And Microsoft is not in the business of buying their own failure.


The real reasons they did this lay outside of the game itself, and fortunately none of them involve even the slightest need to change anything about the game itself. Rather, they make ALOT of money by simply allowing it to continue as-is. And yes, that includes the mod community, which wont be touched either. This isnt a normal, typical deal.

And yes, I could list a seriously HUGE number of reasons as to why they're doing this and why they need not change anything at all. It'd take PAGES though. I'd rather not have to do that however, it'd take bloody forever and people wouldnt read it because lazy.



As for wether it's overrated?

Depends on the player. *I* love the hell outta it, and my tastes tend to never change over time. I can build things (not in creative mode though, that's boring, and I dont build stuff as much as I explore/adventure/fight stuff), I can adventure/explore and fight monsters (and fall offa stuff and yell at the screen), there's about a kazillion things to do and a huge amount of content, and if I desire that my game experience be in any way different, there is, somewhere, a mod that'll do what I want. And on top of that, the devs just keep adding awesome new things. Even I, with my low patience and low attention span, never get burned out on it, because if I start to, I just switch worlds and have everything be very different. I cant do that in other games, not to that extent. Even with mods. Not even close.

There's many reasons why the game's popularity soars as it is, and those are just a few. Though why anyone would think it's cool before and dumb now is beyond me. And no, "the devs are ruining it" is not a valid reason. It's only valid if the new content is forced on you.... and it isnt. All optional stuff that can be ignored. Even the worldgen can be totally altered if you so desire. Dont like the new stone types? Tell it not to spawn them, and it wont. Need more height variation? The sky is the limit, literally... just set it how you want. Floating islands? Yep.

It's not for everyone.... this isnt a AAA type game, and THANKFULLY doesnt involve even a single cutscene or talky bit or pile of story crap (if it did, I'd forcibly remove them) and isnt a "guided" experience (as many players are used to being led around by whatever game they're playing), so those that care about such things may not like it.

For me, I'm *so* freaking glad it has none of those. I've grown to have an absolute blazing dark hatred for all of those things (which is 95% of the reason why I dumped the consoles and stick to PC now).



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28 Sep 2014, 6:19 am

I wouldn't be surprised if they developed a sequel or an otherwise enhanced version for the Xbox One and possibly newer Windows versions, although that would risk devaluing the core game. They'll definitely push merchandising more aggressively especially aimed at younger people, they probably figure the brand has a lot of potential that hasn't been realised and Microsoft's already established distribution and marketing networks will help push it as a bigger deal than it already is; if combined with an Xbox exclusive version that could be tremendously profitable. Otherwise given current sales to date I think they'd be relying too much on unpredictable long-term profits and trashing it EA style would be a bad idea.

Personally I couldn't care less about Minecraft, mechanically it doesn't work as a game (bad combat, tedious mining, bland randomised caves etc etc) and putting blocks on blocks got old at least twenty years ago for me. But it's definitely got a lot of potential for kids who want a simplified way to express creativity and my grumpy old man opinion won't change that.



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28 Sep 2014, 8:54 am

Almajo88 wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if they developed a sequel or an otherwise enhanced version for the Xbox One and possibly newer Windows versions, although that would risk devaluing the core game. They'll definitely push merchandising more aggressively especially aimed at younger people, they probably figure the brand has a lot of potential that hasn't been realised and Microsoft's already established distribution and marketing networks will help push it as a bigger deal than it already is; if combined with an Xbox exclusive version that could be tremendously profitable. Otherwise given current sales to date I think they'd be relying too much on unpredictable long-term profits and trashing it EA style would be a bad idea.

Personally I couldn't care less about Minecraft, mechanically it doesn't work as a game (bad combat, tedious mining, bland randomised caves etc etc) and putting blocks on blocks got old at least twenty years ago for me. But it's definitely got a lot of potential for kids who want a simplified way to express creativity and my grumpy old man opinion won't change that.


Hah, it's interesting just how different views and opinions can be from one person to the next.

Those things you mention are pretty much my own reasons for hating so many recent major games (on consoles, mostly).

ANY of the major recent releases.... I cant think of even one exception.... I apply very similar descriptions to them. Easy, mindless, tedious, childish, dull design (seriously, we've seen Green 'n Brown Shooter HOW many times now? I'm not even sure when it was that the last console game I could honestly call "creative" came out)..... the list goes on. Though "easy" is the big one that gets me. I cant tolerate easy games, they cannot hold my attention. And much to my constant annoyance, the definitions of "easy" and "hard" seem to have gotten very distorted as time goes on (again, mostly on consoles). I see alot of games come out there that are supposed to be oh so hard.... and then I just find them easy and dull.

Though, CUTSCENES get me even worse than that. Ugh.

As it is I got into Minecraft because it lacked these problems. I can come up with my own goals (instead of a game hand-holding me while feeding me cutscenes that I never, ever want to watch), and I have to actually THINK about what I"m doing (nothing I build is meant to look pretty; usually it ends up looking bizarre. I go for practical use and function, which isnt simple to do), and there's always new places to go, and they dont get bland to me since I"m able to change how they generate in the first place. My only problem with it is that the default difficulty is very low. Enemies arent really dangerous and dying is rare. Fortunately I just squash a couple of particular mods into it and the difficulty goes from really easy to downright murderous. MY definition of "murderous", that is, which is typically way more than most players can handle, considering my warped sense of difficulty.

And that's the real thing about it; it plays the way *I* want it to, and anyone can make it do that.


Wheras the only "major" game (as in, non-indie) I can think of that does any of that is LittleBigPlanet.... which I also love for the same reasons. And the new one is coming soon, isnt it.... ahhhhh. I have to get a PS4 for that, and I dont want to. I will though, bah.



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02 Oct 2014, 6:18 am

Yeah I think it's overrated. It's fun to play definitely, I like it; especially creative mode.

But it's still overrated. I mean, the graphics aren't very good (it IS only an indie game, but still - in 2014 the graphics for minecraft are just plain outdated, 8-bit.)

It's just a little insulting because nothing can ever look beautiful in minecraft, everything is buggy, glitchy and ugly looking. Your "shining metropolis" of a city is blocky and crusty looking. Your beautiful rainforest has bad lighting and resolution features.

I've seen NES games with more beautiful visuals and environments...

I'd love Minecraft to death if the gameplay was the same but it had more modern graphics. My step-dad agreed with me.

I normally don't care about graphics, I'm a PS2-nostalgia graphics lover myself. But there is a point where graphics are just TOO bad and ugly.

The gameplay is nice but annoying sometimes. Like how you can't control what water and fire and lava do, even in creative mode. Also in creative mode the carts still can't go automatically but need the track to have booster packs; just general ridiculous little annoyances (in my opinion creative mode should have been like a god mode where you have control over many things, for example carts go when you get in them, can control the elements, I would have loved to be able to have weather and day/night control in creative mode as well, etc.)

But yeah. I'd give it 8/10 but I still agree, overrated. It's made out to be some popular, innovative, revolution kind of game when not really. Just an indie game that got a chance in the spotlight.

Many indie games are better than most mainstream imo, but only the rare 1% get that special opportunity like Minecraft did.

In shot: Overrated for sure...

Love the soundtrack though, everything about it is perfect....



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02 Oct 2014, 7:02 am

Outrider15 wrote:
Yeah I think it's overrated. It's fun to play definitely, I like it; especially creative mode.

But it's still overrated. I mean, the graphics aren't very good (it IS only an indie game, but still - in 2014 the graphics for minecraft are just plain outdated, 8-bit.)

It's just a little insulting because nothing can ever look beautiful in minecraft, everything is buggy, glitchy and ugly looking. Your "shining metropolis" of a city is blocky and crusty looking. Your beautiful rainforest has bad lighting and resolution features.

I've seen NES games with more beautiful visuals and environments...

I'd love Minecraft to death if the gameplay was the same but it had more modern graphics. My step-dad agreed with me.

I normally don't care about graphics, I'm a PS2-nostalgia graphics lover myself. But there is a point where graphics are just TOO bad and ugly.

The gameplay is nice but annoying sometimes. Like how you can't control what water and fire and lava do, even in creative mode. Also in creative mode the carts still can't go automatically but need the track to have booster packs; just general ridiculous little annoyances (in my opinion creative mode should have been like a god mode where you have control over many things, for example carts go when you get in them, can control the elements, I would have loved to be able to have weather and day/night control in creative mode as well, etc.)

But yeah. I'd give it 8/10 but I still agree, overrated. It's made out to be some popular, innovative, revolution kind of game when not really. Just an indie game that got a chance in the spotlight.

Many indie games are better than most mainstream imo, but only the rare 1% get that special opportunity like Minecraft did.

In shot: Overrated for sure...

Love the soundtrack though, everything about it is perfect....


Graphics, I dont consider to be a concern. Typically, the ones that do are mostly just the "big guys", as developers go. They *have* to make games with epic graphics in order to sell. And in order for the publishers to accept it. But indie devs? They need not do that. So much of the time, they simply dont. Which, really, is totally fine by me. Games in general lost the ability to wow me with graphics LONG ago. They just cannot do it anymore. Already seen the best of the best running on an overpowered PC of epic doom, and.... yeah, it just stopped being impressive. I care only about gameplay at this point. There's ALOT of current games where everyone is like, ZOMG, it's so damn pretty, BEST GAME EVAR, but I try it out, the graphics have zero effect on me (and I often find them ugly, in all honesty), so all I notice is the crappy gameplay they often cover up... not exaggerating when I say I'll play old Atari 2600 games before I'll play most AAA games. As it is, the ancient console sits right next to this keyboard and gets used frequently. If you think PS2 graphics look retro (to me, waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy too recent to be "retro"), well.... not compared to that. Though I typically like the way those ancient games look.

And as gameplay goes, aka, the actually important part, I dont find it to be overrated at all. Though I wish the mobs were harder by default.

That being said, Minecraft's graphics are very.... subjective. Alot of people, myself included, really like the way it looks, and I find the landscapes and such can be pretty wonderful. ....not to mention, if someone HAS to have super hyper mega-pixel HRD anti-aliased refracted reflecto-blend graphics with a resolution of 204357275908 x 3957237523475 (I wonder if I can put any more sarcasm into that), there's mods that actually do that. Tried those once, they are pretty impressive, IF your graphics card is up to the task. Didnt stick with it that way though, I prefer the original look.


Also, there already is things like weather or day/night control available in the game. Has been for a LONG time..... in the PC version. They're done with commands, which can be entered into the chat box, or used with command blocks. Console versions though, out of luck on that sort of thing.



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05 Oct 2014, 4:47 am

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Outrider15 wrote:
Yeah I think it's overrated. It's fun to play definitely, I like it; especially creative mode.

But it's still overrated. I mean, the graphics aren't very good (it IS only an indie game, but still - in 2014 the graphics for minecraft are just plain outdated, 8-bit.)

It's just a little insulting because nothing can ever look beautiful in minecraft, everything is buggy, glitchy and ugly looking. Your "shining metropolis" of a city is blocky and crusty looking. Your beautiful rainforest has bad lighting and resolution features.

I've seen NES games with more beautiful visuals and environments...

I'd love Minecraft to death if the gameplay was the same but it had more modern graphics. My step-dad agreed with me.

I normally don't care about graphics, I'm a PS2-nostalgia graphics lover myself. But there is a point where graphics are just TOO bad and ugly.

The gameplay is nice but annoying sometimes. Like how you can't control what water and fire and lava do, even in creative mode. Also in creative mode the carts still can't go automatically but need the track to have booster packs; just general ridiculous little annoyances (in my opinion creative mode should have been like a god mode where you have control over many things, for example carts go when you get in them, can control the elements, I would have loved to be able to have weather and day/night control in creative mode as well, etc.)

But yeah. I'd give it 8/10 but I still agree, overrated. It's made out to be some popular, innovative, revolution kind of game when not really. Just an indie game that got a chance in the spotlight.

Many indie games are better than most mainstream imo, but only the rare 1% get that special opportunity like Minecraft did.

In shot: Overrated for sure...

Love the soundtrack though, everything about it is perfect....


Graphics, I dont consider to be a concern. Typically, the ones that do are mostly just the "big guys", as developers go. They *have* to make games with epic graphics in order to sell. And in order for the publishers to accept it. But indie devs? They need not do that. So much of the time, they simply dont. Which, really, is totally fine by me. Games in general lost the ability to wow me with graphics LONG ago. They just cannot do it anymore. Already seen the best of the best running on an overpowered PC of epic doom, and.... yeah, it just stopped being impressive. I care only about gameplay at this point. There's ALOT of current games where everyone is like, ZOMG, it's so damn pretty, BEST GAME EVAR, but I try it out, the graphics have zero effect on me (and I often find them ugly, in all honesty), so all I notice is the crappy gameplay they often cover up... not exaggerating when I say I'll play old Atari 2600 games before I'll play most AAA games. As it is, the ancient console sits right next to this keyboard and gets used frequently. If you think PS2 graphics look retro (to me, waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy too recent to be "retro"), well.... not compared to that. Though I typically like the way those ancient games look.

And as gameplay goes, aka, the actually important part, I dont find it to be overrated at all. Though I wish the mobs were harder by default.

That being said, Minecraft's graphics are very.... subjective. Alot of people, myself included, really like the way it looks, and I find the landscapes and such can be pretty wonderful. ....not to mention, if someone HAS to have super hyper mega-pixel HRD anti-aliased refracted reflecto-blend graphics with a resolution of 204357275908 x 3957237523475 (I wonder if I can put any more sarcasm into that), there's mods that actually do that. Tried those once, they are pretty impressive, IF your graphics card is up to the task. Didnt stick with it that way though, I prefer the original look.


Also, there already is things like weather or day/night control available in the game. Has been for a LONG time..... in the PC version. They're done with commands, which can be entered into the chat box, or used with command blocks. Console versions though, out of luck on that sort of thing.


Well, you have a point. My family does only have the console version. And yeah I know PC has a lot of wicked mods for the game.

Maybe I shouldn't be so soon to judge. The console part just sucks, I'm sure the PC would be fine...



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05 Oct 2014, 4:56 am

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Well, you have a point. My family does only have the console version. And yeah I know PC has a lot of wicked mods for the game.

Maybe I shouldn't be so soon to judge. The console part just sucks, I'm sure the PC would be fine...



Pretty much, yeah.

Even as much of a fan of the game as I am, even I hate the console version. It just has way too many problems, way too many limitations. Heck, if I remember correctly, world size isnt even infinite in that version... which means ALOT less exploration (and exploration is a major part of the game, both for finding cool new areas, and for finding resources and treasure), and it also breaks down the Nether's core purpose/function, which is fast-travel (that's what it was made for in the first place; 1 block moved through the Nether = 8 blocks moved through the Overworld, in the PC one. With such giant worlds, it's often necessary...). And lots of missing stuff... the BIG one right now that's missing is the ability to customize worldgen, which.... yeah, that one can really alter things.

And yeah, the mods. There's the giant modpacks... which are an experience in and of themselves... but you dont need 100 mods at once to change the game significantly. Me, while I love the game, the combat is too easy for me in the base game; so I use a couple of mods to dramatically up the challenge. The actual mechanics of combat... sword swinging, criticals, knockback attacks, ranged attacks... arent different, but in this game it's the situation, environment, and just how MUCH threat is nearby, that is the real core of how you approach each situation. So I make it interesting by changing just a couple of things up, as well as setting the worldgen in such a way so that the terrain can make it difficult as well.

And that's just the start. I've been playing this game since before the alpha phase, and even now it STILL continues to amaze and surprise me. Even things that have been in the game for a LONG time now, can continue to surprise me as I find entirely new uses and synergies for them. Stuff like that is the real reason why the game is so huge, and why it's spawned an entire genre.

But the console version? Nope. It just doesnt measure up, and I hate it for the impression it can give of the game to some people. Absolutely hate it.

NORMALLY when I really like a game series or developer, I'll pretty much buy everything that developer makes... but that version of this game is an exception.



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05 Oct 2014, 4:42 pm

I think minecraft is not overrated but it is popular because it is simple and good for all ages. With Microsoft buying it I hope they stay to there word and not change the way it is. I have minecraft for PC and Android, the PC version I like because you can do so much to even adding shaders and make it look like another game. Even thought it uses Java runtime which is a unsecure programming language.


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