Misery wrote:
After all of the controversy, nasty moves, and EXTREME greed by the devs (I mean, seriously... holy crap, even EA isnt as greedy as these guys), I have a TON of things holding me back on this one, and... to be honest, every expectation of this being a failed project that does not become anything like what it's meant to. This developer is just WAY too "all over the place" and screwy to trust.
It's that greed aspect that gets me more than anything else though. I've seen this from developers and publishers before... but never, not ONCE, to the utterly ridiculous degree that these guys have pushed it to. What's even worse is watching people try to defend that aspect. I know people can be a little blinded by spectacle, and can thusly become what I call "rabid fans" of upcoming games. The definition for "rabid fan" being a fan that is no longer capable of REALLY understanding or even noticing highly probable flaws, and yet capable of absolutely deceiving themselves into thinking that it has no flaws; this phenomenon existed even back in the Golden Age of arcades, such as with Dragon's Lair fans, who would always refuse to admit that the game was what it actually was: A series of memory tests. They'd do anything to convince you that it was so much more, but it just wasnt... that, is a "rabid fan". This is one of those games capable of generating that type of fanbase. LONG before it even releases. But it wouldnt be so bad if what these players were trying to defend was simple gameplay elements, but no, they defend the batshit insane prices that these devs stick on things like fake virtual video game ships. THAT is pretty freaking bad. You may as well try to defend EA and Activision by trying to convince people that they are some sort of group of holy saints known for their generosity. Though, honestly? Compared to the sheer greed seen here, EA and Activision ARE a bunch of holy saints.
But how will the game itself turn out? Impossible to know for sure. I personally dont foresee it as being all that good, or at least, not up to the expectations that people have for it (kinda like how Miner Wars turned out; it's not a BAD game, definitely not, but it's very, very, VERY much not what it was originally promised to be. The good thing was that it served as the foundation for Space Engineers). But even a greedy, screwball developer like this could pull off a winner. It's certainly possible.
Now, as for the actual GAMEPLAY? The ship stuff would be interesting to me. The FPS stuff would be a huge turnoff. Like, an "I'm not bothering with this" sort of turnoff. If it's somehow possible to... utterly and completely skip that part, I'd be interested. Though the other thing that'd be a big issue for me is multi-crew ships. Not for gameplay reasons, just... you know... social anxiety. I has it. Badly. Also I'm not good at taking orders and even worse at giving them.
But as Enigmatic_Oddity says, I've never entirely understood why games like Elite Dangerous and whatnot ever fell out of favor. Aside from the fact that devs as a whole just... stopped making them, for whatever reason.
First of all do you even know who Chris Roberts is? If you grew up in the 90's you would. Wing Commander is one of the most famous PC games ever made particularly as it pushed what was possible in terms of gaming of the day to its limit.
I hope you've not been reading Derek Smarts writings as little of it has truth he's well known for his smearing campaigns. One of the top Hollywood concept artists was hired to create some of the ship concepts Ryan Church.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Church_(concept_artist)This guys done work on Star Wars movies. I'd say he wasn't cheap. Also surely youve noticed the lack of advertising?
Chris Roberts cocreated freelancer which still has a strong community to this day. He's hardly who you portray him as. Its my understanding once the mmo has released as retail since their effectively making two games almost all ships for cash sale will be removed from the store with only starter ship packs left because that's pretty normal for any mmo. The reason the ships cost so much is its to support the huge cost of creating a triple a game with a lot of staff and talent , people don't work for free. Those that spend these ridiculous sums of money are often twitch streamers or head mega clans and to them its worth the upfront investment. Read up on Clifford miku sometime as an example this guy supports many games and streams for a living. I still remember early on in development a native american indian who's a head of a huge roleplaying company in the us when i say roleplaying I mean like table top presented cr a special handmade engraved blade in support of his vision. Youd really have to read around the forum to understand the sorts of ppl following this and why. Then there's ben lesnick whos a long time friend of CR's due to his love of freelancer and becoming somewhat of a senior freelancer community member. The game was originally intended to be only a space flight sim in the same mold as wing Commander but modern things kind of exploded.
another aspect to this, I've personally spent over $500 nz but this is not at all in a single purchase. It has a very fair pledge system where backers can claim there pledge/s back as store credits using a system known as melting where the store credits can then be used to buy anything digital. This can be done unlimited times. So what I did was brought a $5 skin now and then adding to the value I already had over time it built up. I'm hoping once the mmo goes retail they add a non ship player pack which means people can buy a game starter cheaper and earn their first ship in game. Additionally I'd say there's a good chance more ships will be added after retail release so its not like what ppl have now will be the only and best ships in game. The only other thing that will remain for cash is buying uee credits for lazy ppl and Asian gold farmers everything with the exception of any physical items such as tshirts will be earnable in game maybe just cosmetics payable for like a drink cabinent lol. Think of how guild wars worked.
Now I can tell you this with 100% certainty. If after retail release of the mmo CR does not honor his word and pulls some odd excuse to leave many ships at insane prices on the store not only will half the games community now counted at over 1mill players leave I'd say CIG will have a law suite on their hands which would destroy the company by 1000's of pissed off backers due to CR not honoring his promise. And by that I mean pay2win. If CR did that his career in the games industry since 1980 something would be over. He's well respected.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Roberts_(game_developer)He's also had some involvement in movies
http://m.imdb.com/name/nm0730932/Admitably the wingcommander movie was a box office flop but each to their own sales don't really show if a movie is good or not. I think the single biggest reason ppl assume Starcitizen is some sort of p2w scam is because they don't really understand the cost and that the game is being developed soley with those funds there's no 3rd party investors involved at all. The cost of Google cloud fibre alone is enough to stress one out. In some random twitch stream one night someone told me CIG push TB's of data between offices around the globe monthly. This is huge for fibre commercially. I won't even start on the cost of office and building lease. If anything I'd be more worried they will run out of cash. Let's say squadron 42 flops on release this would be bad.
So please for a moment think of companys like rockstar and how many millions they blow on advertising alone, considering a huge chunk of what has been raised is going on core development inc peoples wages not advertising I'd say that's quite impresive. For triple a development $120ish mill is a small budget not counting what's already been spent. If funding dropped off tomorrow couple months tops and it'd be over. Now let's factor in r&d as well as the cryengine is basically being completely rewritten because the game basically won't work otherwise. If you want to learn on the tech side of what their doing read around the sc sub on reddit. So far the game is mostly 64bit allowing massive world support. I'll stop there but its anything but a scam. Most ppl infact complain about the rate of progress but considering how complexed it is what their doing I'd say progress is about whats expected.
And I wouldnt worry about taking orders in multicrew ships there will be plenty of solo roles such as bounty hunting for human and npc fugitives.
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Im like over there, somewhere.....
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01 Aug 2016, 12:37 pm
if you know what eveonline players are like you'd understand.
