World of Warcraft dilemma

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What does it mean when:

- you've played every class, and tried every spec, but you've never settled on one long-term?
- players (some, not all) in random groups, who disobey proven strategy and tactics, irritate the **** out of you?
- you feel forced to play a particular race because they have a progression advantage?
- you can't play a particular race because the class you want isn't available to them?
- the inevitable grinding process of some areas of the game feels overwhelming?

I think I know what the answer might be, but I'm not 100% sure on that. Fortunately I'm not currently subscribed to the game, so I'm not spending money on it. Got none to spend anyway, as buying a new car tends to do that to you.

I've been playing on and off since late 2010. On a few occasions I've sunk a fair bit of cash into this game, only to end up being unhappy with it in the long run.

I still like the lore behind the game, but that's about it.

I go up and down about this game a fair bit. If I stay away from it long enough, the feeling of being fed up with it dissipates, and I can enjoy playing it again.

Hm, that's the thing about these games... they're just like that. Even if you were to try a new MMO, you'd find all of these problems in it. All of them. Since WoW infected the genre and everyone and their grandma and their grandma's dog tried to copy it, the problems have settled in and are likely never to be fixed. With nobody outdoing WoW, Blizzard has no reason to make any major changes. Those things are here to stay.

In other words, it ends up depending on if you're able to tolerate these things, as they're likely to never go away no matter how long you stick with the game. Way back when, I would have simply suggested trying a new MMO. But not anymore.

Maybe try something completely different entirely?

Personally if I was experiencing long stretches of time with a game that were decidedly un-fun, I'd uninstall and likely never go back. Far as I'm concerned, a truly good game STAYS good the whole time.

Misery if I was to design an RPG, it would be single-player only. Akin to the classic Final Fantasy games (7 to 10 mostly). Turn-based combat, lots of content to get through, and (hopefully) a decent story to go with it.

Aye, they really dont make 'em like that anymore though, do they? Well, not often anyway. Indie devs will do turn-based RPGs sometimes, but they're one of the harder genres to make.

It depends on what you like though. I'm not a big fan of overly story-focused games so alot of my experience with RPGs is stuff like the very first Final Fantasy (which wasnt exactly big on story and tended to just obliterate you over and over and over and over and over... remakes of that game tended to have the difficulty lowered very dramatically) or stuff like that. I do like retro RPGs like that.

I dunno if you like that sort, but one I think is worth checking out is a game called Siralim. I freaking love that one. It's quite hard though and extremely complicated (which is part of why I like it). Found on Steam, also on iOS. There's a sequel as well but I'd start with the first one.


The big AAA devs just dont seem to give a damn about turn-based games anymore. Even Final Fantasy itself at some point just sorta devolved into... whatever the hell it even is now. Just... bleh. Even being not much into story-based games I still liked the series up through FF 9, though again I played the earliest ones more than any. Nowadays though, ehhhh.... I dont even know what the hell I'm looking at with the new ones.

Just had a blowup, of sorts.

I was tanking this dungeon called Eye of Azshara. It's a new one released with the Legion xpac. People were over-pulling trash, and it was annoying me. Survival isn't the point - the goal is to not over-pull what you don't need to kill!

We get to the first boss and some bright-spark pulls trash nearby the boss, increasing the number of things I have to tank. We survived, but then I decided to teach them a lesson. I pulled everything on the path to the second boss and eventually stopped to kill them all. Did that, one player dies, and I get abused by another one. So I got really fed up, pulled the second boss, and left the dungeon.

It is in this moment that I'm understanding the origin of the stress I'm experiencing - World of Warcraft!

If you didn't tried Trails in the sky yet you should. There is also Soul Saga, a upcoming indie taking inspirations from JRPGs of old, though I think they should lower the buffs based on turns on that one.

To be honest, it almost sounds like what you're actually experiencing is addiction. Knowing that the game is stressful, not REALLY having fun with it anymore... but playing it anyway. MMOs are known to do that, and WoW in particular is the unchallenged master of it. People have suggested (frequently) that the game have official warnings about this placed on it (like you would have on cigarettes... no, seriously), because it's ruined lives, as addictions can for some.

Honestly, I'd just step away at this point and be done with it for good. That game aint doing you any favors, and really, there's sooooooo many better games out there than WoW, wether they're MMOs or other genres.

Hell, if you want to see some of the MMOs that are out there OTHER than the big overly-hyped ones (which right now almost entirely consists JUST of WoW and FFIV) then go here: http://www.mmorpg.com and have a look at the massive number of games there. With full info on each. Just be aware that some games absolutely will be WoW clones, and also that Korean MMOs (of which there are many) tend to be extremely grindy (way, WAY more grindy than WoW ever was). Some people like grinding, some dont, I just always make sure to point it out.

Or... of course... just play a different genre. I'd make suggestions here, but I have no idea what to suggest.

I've feared addiction a number of times before. I always thought that I wasn't, because I'd drop the game to go hang out with friends if the opportunity presented itself. I've read and watched stories on WoW addicts many times before. A few of them horrified me so much that I stopped playing the game briefly.

I'm gonna be away from the game soon anyway. I'm going on an interstate holiday with some friends to a nice place. The same joint my best mate proposed to his fiancee at (she sad yes!). I doubt there will be computers there, and that's okay. The game will still be here when I return home.

Blowups only occur when things don't go my way. I know this happens in life all the time (I could tell you stories). I just get frustrated when, in-game, things that should go right don't. I don't blame the game or the devs. I blame the other incompetent players. That's it really.

Can't edit my previous post anymore. Anyways...

Things went really good earlier. I formed a group and went into this dungeon that's harder than the one I blew up at recently. I was the leader and took the group through the whole way. We got through it all with only a few character deaths, and I got some nice loot as well. Everyone had fun, and so did I.

I don't think it's addiction. I could just be intolerable of idiots, especially on something so simple as a computer game. This trait could be related to my Aspergers, maybe; a paper-thing tolerance for incompetence.

I did it again. Spent money on the game when I didn't really have to. All to unlock a character that I thought I wanted to play but don't have the heart to (unlock; it was under trial conditions and had to be unlocked to progress).

It's the action I needed to give myself that kick in the proverbial butt. Fortunately I have nothing pressing on a financial level right now, but I just wasted $66 (the cost to boost a WoW toon to level 100).

I want to be done now. I really do. I'm sick of falling for the same trap and I want to be rid of it now. Time to leave.

....They charge you $66 to insta-level a character? For shame, Blizzard!

I mean, really, that's... absurd. I know they can be a little wonky at times when it comes to getting players to throw more money at their games, but that's a little ridiculous, even for them. That's possibly worse than any bad DLC I can think of, actually. Even EA wouldnt do that one.

If you're going to step away from the game, just uninstall it entirely. And when you feel the urge to play it again... fire up a different MMO instead. Try something totally new. You might find one that's got some fun to it but without the frustration. And possibly without WoW's obsession with "only the late game is fun" sorts of design.

I've uninstalled all of my Blizzard games; WoW (duh), Overwatch, and HotS (which I didn't play much anyway). As far as WoW goes I'll still follow the lore and watch videos on youtube, like for the cinematics that are still to come, but that's it. I no longer want to play the game.

$66 is the tip of the iceberg, and also that's Australian currency. Subs start at $14 per month. You also have:

- store-bought pets for $11 each
- store-bought mounts for $27.50 each
- character looks change for $16.50
- server transfer for $27.50
- faction change for $33
- character name change for $11
- character race change (within faction) for $27.50
- a token that gives you X gold via the in-game auction house (amount varies a la stock market) for $25

Fortunately nothing pay-to-win, but don't you agree that that is still ridiculous? I will have better things to spend my money on now. Thanks for being here Misery

.....what? They seriously charge 27.50 to change servers? 11 for a freaking NAME change? I just.... what.

I've never liked WoW to begin with, but this rather pushes that over the edge.

Granted I'm usually not the biggest fan of Blizzard to begin with. I do like Overwatch (but I refuse to spend money on boxes) and HotS is nice enough, but that's about it.

Yes that's seriously the price (in AUD, USD may be slightly different). Between late 2010 and now I've sunk enough money into this game to buy at least TWO up-to-date PCs or have several inter-state holidays. Maybe even organize the laser-tag event I had in mind for my upcoming 32nd (yeah I'm old). It's shameful really. At least when I was into Warhammer 40K I had something to show for it!

I'd love to have the resources and knowledge (and people?) to design my own RPG game. A single-player along the lines of Skyrim and Dragon Age Inquisition (which I have to try when I have money to spare). Something that people could spend 100s of hours on maybe, and keep expanding it with new content. Graphics should be nice but don't have to be 4K UHD grade.

By my timezone, I'll be going on a week-long holiday tomorrow with some friends. No computers...as far as I know. Be good to get away from the MMO nonsense.

Well don't I feel like s**t tonight!

I'm not going on this trip I mentioned because I would driving to the destination and back by myself. I was going to have a car buddy but he (perhaps stupidly and impatiently) booked airplane tickets days before I got a new car. So now I'll be at home for that week, feeling upset and that I've disappointed my best friend and won't be able to hang out with him (four of us were going: me, him, his fiancee, and another friend of ours). I know that has nothing to do with gaming whatsoever. I just had to share because it's tearing my head apart right now. Surely it is not wrong to want company on a 5-6+ hour long drive? And that's just one way!

One other reason I decided to "quit again" yesterday was because of the guild I was in. They said I shouldn't be a tank because they already have a large number of them for the upcoming "Emerald Nightmare" raid, and that I'd have to go damage-dealing. The character spec I have that deals damage does so in melee, which I don't like being in unless I'm a tank (ranged-capable tanks don't exist in WoW). I decided to use a ranged caster character instead, hence the reason for the $66 character boost. Then I lost enthusiasm for said Warlock, got pissed at the guild, and uninstalled everything.

I almost feel like re-downloading the game, telling the aforementioned guild where to shove it, find another guild, and splurge what is left of my money on in-game gold-granting tokens. Don't worry Misery I haven't fallen that far yet. I'm just upset for reasons that are more than just an online computer game.