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07 Mar 2008, 1:21 am

so u can get almost every game out there for free(works only on pc) but if u really want it..go to www.thepiratebay.org or isohunt.com
-recearch a game name
look for game which has most seeders
-click it
-press download now button
-save it to your computer
-get utorrent program and open file u just saved whith this...then just wait until its loadet..after this u can play it anytime u want...if any problems...pm or write in here :D .....providet by batista


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07 Mar 2008, 1:46 am

I'm not interested in intellectual piracy,



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07 Mar 2008, 1:58 am

ya..but its not piracy so long as u got orginal cd..its meaned from sidsuation u lost it....(though i use it all time:P)


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07 Mar 2008, 2:32 am

I lost my car. does that mean I am entitled to another one?

But thats a poor example. Try this:

I lost my ticket to see Ozzy Osbourne. Am I entitled to a replacement?



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07 Mar 2008, 5:30 am

u allready payet for it..so why not take it back? oh and isohunt.com does give tickets too:P
and yes if provider has enablet it..and in this case microsoft etc havent take a actions coz its all legal :)


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07 Mar 2008, 6:13 am

No, it's because they haven't found it yet.

Please cease and desist batista90. Even overlooking the dubious legality of this (unless you genuinely have and have kept a copy of the game), torrents chew up internet usage, not to mention leaving you open to virus and hacking attacks.


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07 Mar 2008, 8:08 am

Fuzzy wrote:
I lost my car. does that mean I am entitled to another one?

But thats a poor example. Try this:

I lost my ticket to see Ozzy Osbourne. Am I entitled to a replacement?


To get a new car you'd have to steal it (or at least fool the insurance company). Piracy is not stealing.


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07 Mar 2008, 8:53 am

batista90 wrote:
u allready payet for it..so why not take it back? oh and isohunt.com does give tickets too:P
and yes if provider has enablet it..and in this case microsoft etc havent take a actions coz its all legal :)


No. a ticket for a show is effectively an extant license for the viewing of intellectual property. If you have lost it it does not negate its existance. Whoever is in possession of that ticket has a effective right to enjoy the benefits ceded to the ticket.

Likewise claiming you have the right to certain pieces of software requires that you be able to prove you have a singular, authentic version of that. Saying "I lost it" doesnt cut it. The onus is upon you to assure the owner of the intellectual property that you havent enabled a second person to enjoy the fruits of their labour for free. Getting that software from a third party vendor is an excellent way to ensure that someone is getting cheated.

Regarding legality: A lack of punitive action is not an indicator of legality. Microsoft and other companies make fiscal decisions as to how much to spend in the pursuit of theft from them. It might cost a million dollars to protect 100 000 dollars worth of licences. So they dont.

And no i didnt lose my ozzy ticket. that was an example. If I did, i could likely get a replacement IF i was the original purchaser, as my name would be listed in their database, and they would print a ticket for the exact same seat as I was originally assigned, insuring that two people could not benefit from two identical tickets.



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07 Mar 2008, 8:56 am

Reodor_Felgen wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
I lost my car. does that mean I am entitled to another one?

But thats a poor example. Try this:

I lost my ticket to see Ozzy Osbourne. Am I entitled to a replacement?


To get a new car you'd have to steal it (or at least fool the insurance company). Piracy is not stealing.


Well, the definition of stealing aside, there's another issue. If you take somebody's car, they don't have it anymore. If you copy their data, they still have it.
When you buy a program, you don't really buy the data; you buy a (very limited) license to use that data. If you lose the data, you still own the license. But good luck proving it.

In any case, providing access to pirated material is illegal, and it's pretty obvious you didn't post the link for the purpose of downloading replacements. Besides, it's not like anybody who wants to doesn't already know about the Pirate Bay.


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07 Mar 2008, 9:46 am

My opinion of the situation has always been this: if I would never have bought it anyways, then there's no harm done by pirating it. So for example, music CDs, I have never purchased one unless it came packaged with a concert DVD. If I like the band, I will attend their concert, they will make more off of me in this manner.

When it comes to video games, if I really like the game I will buy it. There have been cases where I have played a pirated copy for a month or two and decided it was worth my cash and went out and bought a real version. If its a game that has no extended playability, meaning there's say 10 hours worth of content and then you'll never want to play the game, then its not worth the cash.

I am a programmer myself, so I can understand the hard work put into writing software and the need for compensation (we all have bills to pay). But I also believe in fair pricing, something like a copy of MS Windows of Office is priced way beyond what a typical user should pay for it.

If I ever do release a project on my own, I would probably make it free to download and use, with the option of donating. On top of that you can throw some adsense on the site and make money that way too. But if the software is popular, people will find a way to pirate it. So you're better off telling the person to pay what they want for it, whether it be a dollar or $50.



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07 Mar 2008, 12:06 pm

Some confusion seems to be going on here.

Piracy: The unauthorized reproduction or use of an invention or work of another, as a book, recording, computer software, intellectual property, etc., esp. as constituting an infringement of patent or copyright; plagiarism; an instance of this.

A torrent is a method of transferring data on the internet. It uses less bandwidth overall than doing the same thing with downloads all from a single source. What ISPs don't like is that they never seriously though people would us the upload channel of their connections, which is exactly what torrents do. Torrents are one of several peer-to-peer transfer systems.

What they have been misused for is software and music piracy, and that's where they get a bad name. Whenever you are using them for piracy, then you should expect to get viruses along for the ride, just the same as with any downloaded dubious software from the net, or any illegally copied CD/DVD.

So far as PirateBay is concerned, any use of their facilities is entirely at your own risk. If you acquire software from them that you do not have a licence to use, then you are breaking the law (or rather, you are breaking someone's law). If you acquire software from there that provides you with a free virus infection, that's your own fault.


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07 Mar 2008, 3:35 pm

autisticon wrote:
When it comes to video games, if I really like the game I will buy it. There have been cases where I have played a pirated copy for a month or two and decided it was worth my cash and went out and bought a real version. If its a game that has no extended playability, meaning there's say 10 hours worth of content and then you'll never want to play the game, then its not worth the cash.


You can pretty much guess this by genre.

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I am a programmer myself, so I can understand the hard work put into writing software and the need for compensation (we all have bills to pay). But I also believe in fair pricing, something like a copy of MS Windows of Office is priced way beyond what a typical user should pay for it.

Agreed. So I use linux. My extant installations of windows are all legitimate. But I doubt I will buy new licenses.

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If I ever do release a project on my own, I would probably make it free to download and use, with the option of donating. On top of that you can throw some adsense on the site and make money that way too. But if the software is popular, people will find a way to pirate it. So you're better off telling the person to pay what they want for it, whether it be a dollar or $50.


See, now this is a sensible approach!



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07 Mar 2008, 5:27 pm

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No, it's because they haven't found it yet.

Please cease and desist batista90. Even overlooking the dubious legality of this (unless you genuinely have and have kept a copy of the game), torrents chew up internet usage, not to mention leaving you open to virus and hacking attacks.


torrents don't open you up to virus and hacking attacks. They're just a way to distribute content without a centralized load on a server.

And there is nothing illegal about hosting torrent sites.


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08 Mar 2008, 10:16 am

See batista90's latest thread.


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08 Mar 2008, 10:32 am

Yeah, you're waiting to get your comp messed up by downloading executable programs off of torrents.

One alternative is VirtualNES. It's a website that has Java based versions of just about every single old original Nintendo game out there. You also don't have to worry about viruses and you can play it on just about any computer your on.

For those that want more than the original NES, you can take the path of Emulators and ROMS. Legally speaking, you should not hold on to the copy of the ROM for more than 24 hours if you don't or didn't own the original cartridge while the actual Emulation software is fine. However, I will say it's very loosely enforced (I don't even think there's been a case where somebody has been arrested or fined for it), and be sure to do plenty of background checks on ROM sites with Siteadvisor, as some of them are notorious for Spyware, while others are ok. They have Emulators for NES, SNES, Sega, Atari, N64, and a few others.

Also, if you DO get in trouble for downloading the ROM files... I'm not taking credit for it, and I'm not providing any websites.



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08 Mar 2008, 10:36 am

Downloading executables from the piratebay or say, usenet is very dangerous. If you're going to pirate, you should at least be smart about it.