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Do you believe in God(s)?
Yes 35%  35%  [ 23 ]
No 50%  50%  [ 33 ]
I'm not sure 15%  15%  [ 10 ]
Total votes : 66

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30 Oct 2007, 12:18 pm

I find it really hard to believe in a benevolent supreme being that thinks or has human-like emotions. I just don't see that in the real world. I see the world as a cold, unfeeling, mechanical process. Things happen but there's nobody up there deciding. I can't believe in something just because it would be nice if it were true. If God did exist I would have to conclude that he was not benevolent. It seems more likely that he just doesn't exist.



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30 Oct 2007, 5:14 pm

I voted no, even though I worship Odin, only in spite of the christianity.
I ask "Where is any proof that god is real?" and christians say s**t like "He created everything, there is proof all around you", but I say "Dumbass, that was Odin who created the world from the corpse of a frost giant!".
This is the word of Yog-Sothoth, and ain't a damn thing you can do about it, because its impossible to prove your god is real in any way while denying other gods.



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31 Oct 2007, 3:19 pm

I'm an atheist.


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31 Oct 2007, 11:57 pm

I'm agnostic. I don't think humans have the capacity to understand god.



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01 Nov 2007, 6:13 pm

Averick wrote:
I don't think humans have the capacity to understand god.


Why? It's basically just an entity that can basically do what ever He/She wants, in other words omnipotent, omniscient, etc. Deities aren't that complex.


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01 Nov 2007, 6:21 pm

Averick wrote:
I'm agnostic. I don't think humans have the capacity to understand god.
Why does everyone revolve agnosticism around the christian god? :roll:


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03 Nov 2007, 1:46 am

Yes, I completely believe in my L-rd.
To username88, the most obvious explanation is the logical fallacy of the assumption that since Christianity is the most common religion, it is the only religion.



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03 Nov 2007, 3:13 am

Helek_Aphel wrote:
Yes, I completely believe in my L-rd.
To username88, the most obvious explanation is the logical fallacy of the assumption that since Christianity is the most common religion, it is the only religion.
I know, like how people say they are athiest because they "dont believe in god", not, "I dont believe in the existance of any higher power." Sometimes I feel like Im the only person on Earth who thinks things through and through.


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03 Nov 2007, 11:38 pm

Arguing with both of you above would be futile and a waste. Idealism is fantastical.

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04 Nov 2007, 11:25 am

I do believe in God, but not because some person came at me with a flyer telling me I'm going to hell.

The beauty and intricate design in snowflakes, the human mind ((a frickin "natural" computer!! !) and cells convince me. Cell theory also convinces me. As well as the scientific laws.


For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. (Rom 1:19-20)


BUT...as I said in a previous post...His people scare me. My faith is about a relationship with God, not being forced to partake in manmade rituals. I LOVE God but I don't feel the same way about RELIGION. Religion and God are two very different things. Religion is created and-very often- manipulated and twisted- by people. God in the Bible is a spirit and also the Alpha and Omega. He also can't be completely understood by people, I think there is even a verse on that. ((I'm not sure, but I think I do remember one like that)).

I do agree with many atheists and agnostics about CHRISTIANS, however. Many, including myself at times, do not represent our faith well. I HATE it when Christians use violence, anger, intolerance, or many things (that Christ despised) to FORCE people into their faith. Christ invited and shared His faith, but he never forced people into it.



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04 Nov 2007, 11:44 am

Obviously all that intricate beauty could not exist without an intelligence to create it. Now what puzzles me that an intricate God cannot exist without another intelligent something or other to create it. And that intelligent something or other could not exist without an intelligent goofus to create it. And that intelligent goofus could not exist without an intelligent dingbat to create it. And...and...and...



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04 Nov 2007, 5:02 pm

Sand wrote:
Obviously all that intricate beauty could not exist without an intelligence to create it.


Why do the things we see in the world as beautiful necessitate a creator? I don't see how one necessarily follows the other. I think part of the reason for that kind of thinking is because of technology. We see human artifacts with purpose, like cars, computers, art, and so forth, and they often look beautiful and like they were created, so we see things that look equally beautiful or purposeful in nature and think they too are designed; they're not. Humans have invented sonar systems and systems based on echolocation. Animals such as bats, dolphins and some birds use systems based on the same principles as our own designed systems. So it might seem obvious that someone or some creator invented those animals who use those systems so effectively. But they weren't designed or created by anyone. Unlike humans, who intelligently designed sonar, these animals evolved sensory systems that use sonar. It's an understandable mistake, except that when you evoke a God to explain it, you run into another problem:

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Now what puzzles me that an intricate God cannot exist without another intelligent something or other to create it. And that intelligent something or other could not exist without an intelligent goofus to create it. And that intelligent goofus could not exist without an intelligent dingbat to create it. And...and...and...


Exactly, God doesn't explain anything at all. Now that you've added God to the equation to explain one thing, then you have something even more complex to explain. So God as an explanation will not work. Evolution, on the other hand, does work, and it is supported by mountains of mutually supporting evidence. If you're interested in evolution at all, I would highly recommend Richard Dawkins's The Blind Watchmaker.



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04 Nov 2007, 5:07 pm

vodzy wrote:
You're asking the wrong question.
It doesn't matter if you believe in God, a god, many gods.
The question should be, either "are you spiritual?" or "are you religious?". These are 2 very different questions.


i imagine the reason he didn't ask that is that he is interested in knowing if people believe in god, not if they are religious. For one thing there are many religions that don't believe in god, then two there are people who believe in god that aren't religious and vice versa.

i know a Hindu who goes to temple every week, believes in his deities, and still eats meat on a daily basis. I know a Jew who doesn't believe in god, but adheres strongly to the Jewish way of living.