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Humans are instinctually selfish. They even abuse other humans for their own gratification. They reject love, and they reject God's word.
Well, that definitely explains why the pope and the church have so much money for building their churches and taking up so much land that they probably don't need.
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In ancient Roman times, people were licentious and completely unrestrained with regard to their morals. They had sex all the time. 95% of the population was poor, while the remaining 5% were extravagantly rich and did not donate to charity. There were millions of slaves, and women had virtually no rights. Self-serving politicians stabbed each other in the back (literally) to gain another's position. Animals were abused and sacrificed to hundreds of pagan gods.
So what? There is still plenty of sex going around, poor people, and rich people, slavery in some countries, as well as underpriviledged women (heck, women rights weren't even acknowledged until recently anyways, and it has nothing to do with religion), and politicians are still backstabbing each other.
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Then Jesus came around. He taught that you should love your neighbor, that you shouldn't kill, that you shouldn't strike back. He taught such a radically different message from what was taught by traditional Roman emperors. He was truly a social reformer.
Jesus changed nothing. See above. Besides, some of these morals are old news to other civilization's religions or philosophers.
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His followers were burned, crucified and fed to lions, but none of them would recant. The Emperors did everything they could to stop Christianity. But it grew, grew, and grew. Then Diocletian made one last-ditch effort to wipe out Christianity, killing millions of people--until, finally, when all was said and done, he realized he had utterly failed. Christianity became legalized, then became the sole legal religion. Constantine abolished many barbaric torture practices. This new religion completely reformed society, and women were given more rights.
Yes, and would you like to know why? Because of people's fears, missionaries, torturing of heretics and horrible, horrible violence like the crusades. They just can't stand other people not being Christian. And if women had more rights, why weren't they allowed to practice medicine or obtain better degrees in universities? I recall several women who were mathematicians and could not be more acknowledged because of their gender. One of them even had to pose as a guy writing a letter to Gauss for fear of not being treated seriously.
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But still you gnash your teeth and spit your bile, because you are depraved monsters--same as the Romans were, same as all humans are without Christianity. Your passionate hatred only fuels my faith, showing that such irrationality can only come from the devil.
There is no atheistic society I know of which does these things. We do not deny rights from women, nor do we torture others for not being atheists, nor do we condone slavery, we are not liars, and "Jesus'" morals are well known to us--even better, we're aware of morals from other philosophers and religions, and we're accepting of others who aren't atheists. So what non existent hatred are you talking about?
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Atheist regimes in the 20th century killed millions, whereas the Inquisition killed a composite of 2,000 people.
Name at least one instance in which atheists destroyed or killed people in the name of atheism against other people's religions. I sincerely challenge you. And you also seem to neglect that the Inquisition wasn't the only thing the Christians did. There's also the Crusades. Some of you might even be able to list more of them. Actually, yes, there are, sporadically. Christians used to torture heretics in the medieval times and stole their traditions.
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Indeed you will continue your selfish ways, until lo, Christ returns and justice is delivered. He will separate the goats and the sheep. You will get just what you want--eternal sin. But then your god, Satan, will be tossed into a burning lake of fire.
What is so selfish about allowing people like you to believe what you want and to let others believe what they want to believe? And the fact that you are wishing us to hell--what does that say about you or your religion?
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As stated before, only 2% of the world population are atheists. People of your religion have killed millions of people with unspeakable tortures.
And yet, you cannot even list a single instance in which this has happened.
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Where is the Christian version of Bin Laden? There is none.
There are no Christians blowing themselves up to kill you.
I'd like to ask you the same of atheism, but it seems you don't even know of one. I'll give you a hint: he doesn't exist. As for that last sentence, you'd better hope that's not true. However, there are fundamentalists ruining the education system by injecting their pseudo science into the curriculum, then politicians agree with them because they're irrational and don't know a clue about science, and figuring that creationism is so much easier to understand, they think that they're doing science a favor by letting people teach it. Christians are threatening something most atheists value--science. Perhaps at a more quiet means, but nevertheless, it still exists.
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But still, you choose to hate it. You hate it because you cannot stand the truth. You hate it because you hate God. You hate it above all religions, when it has done far less than Islam. When Jesus returns, you will pay for your cruelty, your vice.
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I will choose to hate whatever I wish, but that's not something you should be concerned with, considering I never killed any Christians or forced them to do anything they didn't want to do; I've pretty much left them alone. I only hate the parts of Christianity that contradict what I believe in that I may consider to be immoral or otherwise unbeneficial to society, and there's no reason I or anyone else wouldn't hate God, since he's a mass murdering freak with OCPD (if you don't know what that is, I suggest you go look that up). To say that Christianity has done far less than Islam is a serious understatement. Besides the Inquisition and the Crusades, they have tortured many people into believing their religion, and has turned people into mindless sheep with blind faith. It has also prevented people like Galileo and Copernicus from making their discoveries acceptable--I believe that without the church's intervention, science would have progressed and advanced more quickly. I certainly hope you know what you mean when you hope for Jesus to return.
14 Nov 2007, 4:10 am
