What Do You Think of the Catholic Church?

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15 Feb 2008, 2:15 am

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the Catholic Church is nothing more than a loose criminal organization dedicated to extortion and pedophilia under the guise as a religion. i'm Irish and i'm absolutely disgusted with them. and this isn't a recent trend. you look at the Catholic Church's history this has been all they've done since they came into existence. look no further than the popes themselves.

Linus - not even sure he exists. this puts the succession from St. Peter into doubt right away.
Clement V - sold out the papacy to King Philip IV, including desecrating the corpse of his predecessor on Philip's command.
Leo VIII - excommunicated after dying from a stroke during sex with a married woman.
Pius XII - refused to castagate Hitler during WWII and actually received Eva Braun several times in Vatican City to set up ODESSA.
Pius II - established that the law that the Pope is infaliable and launched The Crusades. this after fathering a dozen illegitimate children.
Benedict IX - given the papacy by his father at the age of 12. rampant sodomizer (part of the reason the church doesn't like homosexuality). eventually sold the papacy to the highest bidder when he was bored.
Sergius III - murdered his predecessor and fathered his successor with his mistress.
John VIII - supposedly a woman in the days before the church declared female clergy as heretics.
John XII - held orgies in the halls of St. John Lateran.
Alexander VI - regularly had his illegitimate children poison cardinals that opposed him.

all this while ignoring the AIDS epidemic and condemning homosexuality. very "do as we say, not as we do". screw that.

It's not all good and it's not all bad. Saying it's homogeneous brings your ability to reason into question. While I would disagree with them theologically on some issues, I'm not going to blame the actions of some on all.

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15 Feb 2008, 3:51 am

No doubt there is a certain, “energy” in the church, and if one is in the mood, certainly praying a prayer in opposition to the “our father” during that part of the mass for instance Our daughter who art in hell, WILL get a response. This is more than enough to keep me off the atheistic materialism path (that I don't advise anyone with an interest in self-preservation to follow)
That said, I don't think the tenants of the religion are helpful or useful, in fact, quite the opposite. It is a remnant of the dying Aeon of Osiris, to be swept away by the Aeon of Horus.

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15 Feb 2008, 1:57 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

jamesohgoodie wrote:

While I would disagree with them theologically on some issues, I'm not going to blame the actions of some on all.

this isn't a few theological issues. these are events that the leaders of the church organized that had massive repercussions on the lives of their worshippers. the Crusades and the Nazis alone come to mind. there's also the church's silent consent of the slave trade (though i forget whose rule that was under).

it's the classic example in religion and politics of the actions of a few affecting the lives of millions, which is why i pretty much take no part in either religion or politics.

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16 Feb 2008, 2:34 pm

Obsolete, redundant, ridiculous, blind, maybe evil in the past, and still probably money grubbing evil, in some smaller sense, probably stupid, but ultimately, worthless, and not worth my time.

Of course, if you want to be a part of it, that's none of my business, and that choice is entirely up to you.

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16 Feb 2008, 6:08 pm

jamesohgoodie - You mention you are Irish. What does this have to do with your feelings toward the Catholic church? "I'm Irish and I'm absolutely disgusted with them"
I'm well aware of Irish history, of course, but I don't know if that has anything to do with your reasoning, and I'm curious.

Taimaat - "atheistic materialism" you say. Being atheist does not make one materialistic. Nor does being Christian preclude it.

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16 Feb 2008, 7:54 pm

Rynessa wrote:

oh, uh, should've clarified. by "Irish" i meant "Irish Catholic", which my family is. it was a glib attempt of mine at establishing my Catholicism credentials.

actually, on my Irish ancestry, i also recent the church because of the interest in paganism i've developed as an adult. there's the old legend of how St. Patrick "banished the snakes from Ireland". really this was a metaphor for getting rid of the Druids and making way for rule under the Church of England (since St. Patrick was actually British in origin). but that's another argument altogether.

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20 Feb 2008, 7:02 pm

jamesohgoodie wrote:

Pius II - established that the law that the Pope is infaliable and launched The Crusades. this after fathering a dozen illegitimate children.

Papal infallibility was actually established in 1870.

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21 Feb 2008, 7:19 pm

jamesohgoodie:
Actually, St. Patrick came to Ireland around 450. The Church of England was not established until the rule of Henry the 8th, roughly 1000 years later. Although St Pat was originally from Britain, he was converting for Roman Catholicism. The whole Irish/English problem didn't arise until much later.

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22 Feb 2008, 12:04 am

Rynessa wrote:

you're right, i got my facts confused. i apologize.

i still feel very strongly though about the destruction of paganism in Ireland and the world over, and the Catholic Church's role in it. it's little more than imposing your will upon others with violence. and that should never be done in the name of religion or anything else.

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22 Feb 2008, 12:16 am

I was raised a Catholic, and...I absolutely detest Catholicism and the Vatican. I hate them. I abhor them. I despise them. Their whole system is built on mind-raping so I wasn't a bit surprised when news of the whole paedophile priest scandal broke, because that's just the Catholic way. Intimidate. Dominate. Subdue. Humiliate.

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