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28 Feb 2008, 10:13 am

NYT Article: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/po ... BX9vzWua3w

Wikipedia links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen

Section I Article II Clause 5 of the United States Constitution states:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Verbaige of this clause "or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution" is considered to be a single logical statement seperate from the other qualifications, and null in this modern day.

Senator John McCain was born in the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone on August 29, 1936.

---BECAUSE HE WAS NOT BORN IN THE UNITED STATES AS MANDATED BY THE CONSTITUTION AND LAW AND UPHELD BY SUPREME COURT, HE IS INELIGIBLE FOR PRESIDENCY IN HIS LIFE!---



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28 Feb 2008, 10:19 am

Doesn't seem to be stopping him. Rules are meant to be broken, but only by those with power and influence. And don't worry, in the future, I'm sure you'll love President Schwarzenegger.

Or should I say Fuhrer Schwarzenegger?


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28 Feb 2008, 10:43 am

"Natural born citizen." Having US citizens as parents grants automatic citizenship no differently from being born in the geographic United States.



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28 Feb 2008, 10:45 am

Kieral wrote:
"Natural born citizen." Having US citizens as parents grants automatic citizenship no differently from being born in the geographic United States.


Yeah, that's right. He should have dual citizenship I believe, dunno how they handle that in other countries.


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28 Feb 2008, 10:52 am

If he was born on base or at a US embassy, there's no chance he'd have dual citizenship. Otherwise, it all depends on Panamanian immigration law, which lets US citizens freely move in and out of Panama.



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28 Feb 2008, 11:20 am

U.S. Military installations are considered American soil. Sorry, it doesn't matter where your political biases lie, but McCain wins that argument.


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28 Feb 2008, 12:13 pm

My cousin was born in a U.S military base in Germany....then when he was 18 he had to choose between American and German citizenship.



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28 Feb 2008, 12:39 pm

I would love it if schwartzenegger became president.. that would be cool.



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28 Feb 2008, 12:42 pm

Tensho wrote:
I would love it if schwartzenegger became Fuhrer.. that would be cool.


Fix'd.


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28 Feb 2008, 1:55 pm

im not worried, he isnt going to be the next president anyways


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28 Feb 2008, 2:39 pm

Born on US military base counts as natural-born citizen. Born abroad to parents who are US citizens counts as natural-born citizen. I hate the guy, but seriously, this is just stupid.


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28 Feb 2008, 2:51 pm

As your article states, there is some debate on that, but many people think McCain is eligible, and frankly, given that any talk of his ineligibility plainly goes against the spirit of the laws he probably will be considered eligible. I doubt that the democrats would even try to hold something like this against him. The entire fight would look petty all too quickly given that McCain was in a foreign country because his father was in the military and that McCain himself comes from a military background and suffered greatly in his military service.



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28 Feb 2008, 3:27 pm

Of the Republican candidates McCain is not my favorite (I like Huckabee), he is unpredictable sometimes he's conservative and somtimes he's not. Some conservatives have gone so far as to say if McCain got the nomination they would go campaign for Hillary Clinton becuase at least she is consistently very liberal... Scarier than hilary though is Obama he hides his radical views very well and people don't realize that his true views make the clintons look like moderates in comparison. Both democratic candidates are scary to me, I just hope if McCain does get the nomination (and it looks like he will) that he stays on one side or another (perferably the side he's running for) and doesn't flip-flop like he has in congress.


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28 Feb 2008, 3:48 pm

Just saw in news that it doesn't matter where he was born, he was born to two US citizens, which automatically makes him an american. No different that if an american woman happened to be on vacation in europe when she unexpectedly gives birth. Few people would argue that the child wasn't an american because it's mom wasn't on "american Soil" when she gave birth.


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28 Feb 2008, 3:49 pm

Well, I disagree with your assessment of McCain. Yes, he doesn't toe the party line, however, the issue isn't toeing the party line anyway, the issues are individual issues where candidates have varied opinions. If McCain were a major flip-flopper then perhaps I could perhaps see your point better, however, I see him as more of an independently minded conservative.

Frankly, Huckabee is the one that scares me. He is not much of an economic conservative and raised taxes in his home state and much of his entire campaign is Christian values. He seems like a winner for Christian socialists and other groups who don't care about human liberty, but honestly, he is a bad choice for those of us who want a freer society and a smaller government. McCain, however, has a history of seeking to decrease the deficit and reduce pork in congress, and frankly, America could really use a candidate who cares about the deficit and size of government.



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29 Feb 2008, 11:33 am

The constitution explicitly states that a president must be a natural-born citizen. In the context of this, taking in consideration what "naturalization" means (being born on American soil), he is not a natural-born citizen. Naturalization does not apply to children born to 2 American citizens outside of the United States.

Natural-born means he is born INSIDE THE UNITED STATES, which he was not. To elect him would be to spit in the constitution's face yet again. It's the principle of the act, not necessarily the act itself. The more we ignore the constitution, the more your rights mandated by it are able to be ignored as well.

Also, there other people that have tried to get elected that were not natural-born citizens, but none of them were ever elected. We should keep it that way.