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kevv729
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12 Nov 2005, 5:49 am

So what does God mean to You.

How do You see God.

Does God do anything for You.

What do You what God to do for You.

Do You believe in more than One God.

Do You believe in No God.

Or is God a Lie.

What do You really Think.


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12 Nov 2005, 6:38 am

How other people see and what other people understand when seeing or hearing the word god makes up more of my perception of the word than any perceptions of the word independant of them that i might have.

The word god, and the meaning americans think of when they say god seems to be associated with a superior power that has all the judgement and intelligence of a 2 year old bully, who just happens to be on their side.

To me, my view on reality creates the meaning of the word god. To me god is not a being that exists in reality.

One aspect of how i see god is that god is existance. In philosophy and in advanced physics the question remains, "What are things made of?" And i say God. God composes everything that is. Including abstract ideas, thoughts, and events, time, the future, memories, and experiance in general. God could also exist as a being that observes, and a being that acts, although i don't think it has any goals or motives other than continued existance and experiance. I don't think that god has any "wishes" that it would like to see done, or has any desire to be worshipped.

God doesn't need to do anything for me. I'm pretty satisfied with what i've got.

I would like it if god enjoys my participitation in existance. Perhaps amused.

I don't see god as a concept that necessitates any configuration of numbers, although it may exist as such for s**ts and giggles.

In one sense i believe in no god. Because to most people how i see god would be just as good as believing in no god.

Well i believe that god may exist, or may not. And unless it turns out god definitely DOES or DOES NOT exist, i evade the possiblity of it being a lie.

I think, "Weeeee!"


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12 Nov 2005, 7:16 am

im agnostic, so i dont believe in organized religion



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12 Nov 2005, 2:46 pm

kevv729 wrote:
So what does God mean to You.
A supreme spiritual reality, present everywhere and visible nowhere, that has created and sustained the universe. He/she/it/they are usually the central figures in most religions.

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The God of the Judeao-Christian religion is a perfect (by our standards), immeasureable being that has created, not out of boredom or loneliness, but sheer love and joy. This God is referred to by the male pronoun, not because he has a physical gender, but because of the manner in which the universe is thought to have been created (i.e. from without and not by itself).

The relationship between God and humanity is like that of an author or artist and his creation. It is very intimite and precious. God is a father figure; easy to please but hard to satisfy. He does not need worship, but rather we need to worship Him. I also think fearing God is unnecessary. One should never have to use negative reinforcement in religion.

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Does God do anything for You.
Sure. He provides perspective. Sometimes when I get depressed or angry, I might reflect upon what I do have in my life and the fact that it's been comparatively good so far. Being angry at God is one of the most wasteful things a human being can do. When I'm worrying and I pray, what I worry about almost never comes true.

Of course, one must learn to pray "correctly". Do not pray so that God will change his mind, but so that he will change yours. Do not ask for the laws of the universe to be altered on your behalf, but for the personal strength to do what you can, and make the right decision.

Occasionally, when my artistic abilities have reached their full potential and I find myself creating something truly valuable it is unknown to me at the time, because I am simply enjoying the process. Creation is an intimate, godly act. I am told that God works through people, and I believe it to be in a manner such as this. When people are searching for the meaning of life and all that, they are, of course, searching for a deeper experience of life, and that is something only God (in some form or another) can provide.

Experiences such as these are the closest transcending moments of the unity of thought and action, and the complete sense of natural comfort that comes with it.

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What do You what God to do for You.
What?

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Do You believe in more than One God.
There are many religions, right? And many different gods to go with them. Obviously, they can't all be correct because they make objective truth claims. However, it is pure black and white reasoning to assume either that a) *none* of them are correct at all, b) they are all wrong and *damned* except for you, or c) that they are equally all true, at least for each believer. I do not see them in such a light.

Religions across the world all contain remarkably similar ideas. Perhaps these other faiths and gods are glimpses at the true God. Each one contains, perhaps, slivers of truth and perspective. In professing a religion, I may just believe that mine is probably closest to the truth that humanity has come.

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Do You believe in No God.
No, I believe in God.

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Or is God a Lie.
If God does not exist then he would still not be a 'lie', but merely another layer of human abstraction.

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What do You really Think.
Of what, God? Didn't I just post it above?


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12 Nov 2005, 3:47 pm

Answer to all question: I wish I knew :?


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21 Nov 2005, 6:42 pm

So what does God mean to You.

How do You see God.
God is everything 2 me. I live 4 him.
Does God do anything for You.
Yea, he answers Prayers and He sent Jesus 2 Die on the Cross so that we could b 4given and made Right with Him.
Do You believe in more than One God.
no I Belive in the 1 ture God Jesus Christ.


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21 Nov 2005, 7:21 pm

"God" is a conveniently trademarked, catchall explanation for questions that have (as yet) no scientifically available answers, in order to satisfy basic human arrogance manifested in the unwillingless of many people to accept that they just aren't important enough in the greater scheme of things to be able to obtain or perceive the real answers to said questions. Yes.



.......I come back after 5 months away, and this was the only post I could find (admittedly after a cursory scan through of posts only) that tickled the old fancy enough to get me to dip the old toe back in again with a half way decent opening gambit in the old baiting stakes, believe it or not :twisted: A bit disappointing really...... Is it just me or is this site simply just not the same as it was when I was last here? :wink: Eeeee lad..... I remember when this were all fields, tha' knows....... Them were't days.......


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22 Nov 2005, 4:32 am

AbominableSnoCone wrote:
Answer to all question: I wish I knew :?


A voice from the clouds would make it all a lot less confusing, wouldn't it? :wink:



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22 Nov 2005, 5:31 am

kevv729 wrote:
So what does God mean to You.

How do You see God.

As per the description in the Bible. So holy that we cannot look upon him, but if we saw Jesus Christ we would know what God looked like. We will not see God face to face until Heaven.

Does God do anything for You.

Yes, everything. He gave me my husband and my children, a roof over my head, food on the table, friends, every good thing in my life and I'm grateful.

What do You what God to do for You.

want God to do for me? Answer my prayers as per his will. Give me salvation, but he already has, so there's Heaven to look forward to when I die.

Do You believe in more than One God.

No

Do You believe in No God.

No

Or is God a Lie.

No. The Bible has a lot of evidence to back up its claims, evidence that I feel is convincing.

What do You really Think.


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22 Nov 2005, 9:39 am

So what does God mean to You?

The pursuit of truth.

How do You see God?

In everything.

Does God do anything for You?

God is.

What do You what God to do for You?

Believe in me.

Do You believe in more than One God?

I believe in the trinity of God/Jesus Christ, the one god.



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22 Nov 2005, 12:55 pm

I don't believe in a God. I don't know if there's one there or not, but if there is, he doesn't seem very interested in people, despite what some people say or want to believe. I think that if God does exist, it isn't a personal presence or personality, more like a life force or energy or something along those lines.

The notion of a personal God- I think it's something humans wanted to believe in- a parental figure to keep them in line, to care about them and protect them. It's sort of like, even after we grow up, a part of us wants to remain a child or infant in a sense, and believing in God allows us to do that.

In some cases, I think it's probably better for people to continue believing in their God, because they aren't capable of moral and ethical behavior otherwise. Th eway I see it is that a truly matured person can develop past needing the father/mother figure of God and be capable of doign what is right because it makes sense, is sustainable, and is the correct thing to do. Not all people can do that, so I guess they need the fear of something watching and seeing them and the thought of an afterlife to intimidate or motivate them into doing what's right.



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22 Nov 2005, 2:36 pm

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In some cases, I think it's probably better for people to continue believing in their God, because they aren't capable of moral and ethical behavior otherwise. Th eway I see it is that a truly matured person can develop past needing the father/mother figure of God and be capable of doign what is right because it makes sense, is sustainable, and is the correct thing to do. Not all people can do that, so I guess they need the fear of something watching and seeing them and the thought of an afterlife to intimidate or motivate them into doing what's right.


I have seen this argument before, but it does not reflect the fact that Christians have the Holy Spirit in their lives. (I know you refer to "religious" people but as a Christian I have to respond with what I know as a Christian). You write as if religious people can only behave thanks to the idea of external factors playing on their thoughts, rather than having an internal help to help them live as God wants - and they do, they have the Holy Spirit. But I can see why you would discount that idea as it is supernatural.

The Holy Spirit lives within me and helps me to behave as the Bible describes I should behave.

People are capable of being very moral and good without the help of God but when faced with extreme stress or provocation they have nothing to help them. A Christian has God to help them. For example, someone who has put all their faith in their own ability to create money could go bankrupt and end up having a breakdown because everything they have trusted in has gone. But a Christian could go bankrupt or lose a close family member and they still have God to help them. God is always there, even in the hardest of situations.


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22 Nov 2005, 3:20 pm

Yeah, I know. I used to be a Christian. At times I experienced a warm fuzzy feeling that I interpreted as being God or the Holy Spirit. I still get the warm fuzzy feeling even though I no longer believe in God.

Believe it or not, I actually find that I find stress or catastrophes easier to deal with now than I did then. There is no search for higher meaning, no anguished crying out to God *why* he let this happen, no begging for help, just the realization that something needs to be done and it has to be dealt with, and if I don't do something, it's going to stay the same or get worse. I wasted entirely too much of my life either in inertia (waiting on the Lord) or indecision (praying/looking for divine guidance). Now that it's more cut and dried, I just buckle down to what needs to be done.



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22 Nov 2005, 3:36 pm

Actually, the people who believe in a personal god don't need approval from anyone to do the right thing, because god's there with them. This is what those who claim not to need a god for moral guidance are also doing.

Crisises can and do happen to everyone regardless of faith, and none of the faithful woudl deny this. Of course, there is a mature and immature way to pray and believe in this case. The 'immature' way is to ask that God change everything on your behalf, while the 'mature' way is to ask for the inner strength to make the right decision and handle whatever comes your way. Job recieved no straight answer, and neither did Jesus, but both were asking the wrong questions.

I find it amazing how often theists and nontheists are really just talking about the same thing.


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22 Nov 2005, 3:57 pm

chamoisee wrote:
Yeah, I know. I used to be a Christian. At times I experienced a warm fuzzy feeling that I interpreted as being God or the Holy Spirit. I still get the warm fuzzy feeling even though I no longer believe in God.


I don't experience the Holy Spirit as a warm fuzzy feeling and don't know anyone who claims this. So maybe you were mistaken.

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Believe it or not, I actually find that I find stress or catastrophes easier to deal with now than I did then. There is no search for higher meaning, no anguished crying out to God *why* he let this happen, no begging for help, just the realization that something needs to be done and it has to be dealt with, and if I don't do something, it's going to stay the same or get worse. I wasted entirely too much of my life either in inertia (waiting on the Lord) or indecision (praying/looking for divine guidance). Now that it's more cut and dried, I just buckle down to what needs to be done.


I think that there is a lot of unhelpful teaching on the subject of guidance, like waiting on the Lord and looking for signs. We are to use the brains God gave us to get on with life. And make choices that are in keeping with Scpriture but I believe God gives us the freedom to work out the details for ourselves. :lol: Also - you can get on with things, and pray, and if God thinks it is right he will open doors for you. For a while in 1999 I wanted to move to the USA, and I prayed about it and also applied for jobs - I got no interest from anyone - I took that to mean God didn't want this for my life and I happily got on with other things.


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23 Nov 2005, 2:50 pm

no god=no satan