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The_Chosen_One
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05 Jun 2008, 7:17 pm

Definitely. A flawed human being with a messianic complex. Freud would would have a field day.

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Pagans are people too, not just victims of a religious cleansing program. Universal harmony for all!!

Karma decides what must happen, and that includes everyone.

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05 Jun 2008, 7:21 pm

The_Chosen_One wrote:

If everyone did look death square in the face, what would they do?

Pagans would accept it and move on to the next life, awaiting what karma has in store.

Buddhists would possibly have the same thing happen to them, for they believe in reincarnation too.

Hindus would take that one more step toward Nirvana.

Muslims would be granted their wish if Allah deems them worthy, or they will be punished for whatever wrong they have done.

Christians though don't know the finality and therefore don't know where they will end up, which is what scares them. They believe that if they are saved, they will join with their god, but if they aren't they will go to Hell.

Nobody can tell for sure what is going to happen once we die, but our current physical form as we know it will cease to function. If the re is a soul (which the majority of faiths believe), then the life that it leaves is only a speck in eternity, and eternity being forever, is A VERY LONG TIME.

Everyone MUST face death sooner or later, and I think we'd all prefer to go when our time has come and not at the hand of others.

You don't know what you are talking about. Read the Bible.

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05 Jun 2008, 7:24 pm

For the record, the Scriptures were obviously written by human hands, but their content was of divine inspiration. God wrote the Scriptures by way of human beings.

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05 Jun 2008, 7:44 pm

Without god there would be no bible... right? Well, people would still have written something else to replace it. God is just the central character in a book of 66 parts. It has its 'Once upon a time' at the beginning and a 'they lived happily ever after' at the end. Sure, there are some rules thrown in to make the reader think that he can use them as guideposts, but it is not a literal be-all and end-all that people MUST obey to get through life. Only those that use it for their faith to justify the existence of their god will see it that way. Those that don't (such as pagans, Buddhists, Hindus etc) don't give a stuff, and therefore there lives won't be affected by what's in it.

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05 Jun 2008, 7:49 pm

slowmutant wrote:

For the record, the Scriptures were obviously written by human hands, but their content was of divine inspiration. God wrote the Scriptures by way of human beings.

That's up for debate. We don't seem to have evidence of that being the case.

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05 Jun 2008, 9:28 pm

slowmutant wrote:

For the record, the Scriptures were obviously written by human hands, but their content was of divine inspiration. God wrote the Scriptures by way of human beings.

No proof, and by using Occam's razor we come to the conclusion that it was simply written by humans.

So now we get to the logical conclusion: Both philosophical morals and theological morals were derived from the same thing, making your initial premise faulty.

Also, if you think a book can give truth unto itself, you are also proved to be at faulty when you ask the question:

Then why don't the Hindu texts prove themselves to be true, just by their admission?

You're statement was highly illogical. Please revise.

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05 Jun 2008, 10:09 pm

Kalister1 wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

For the record, the Scriptures were obviously written by human hands, but their content was of divine inspiration. God wrote the Scriptures by way of human beings.

Scriptures are but one holy book; almost all claim to be divine inspiration. Line forms to the right for evaluations on authenticity.

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05 Jun 2008, 10:42 pm

makuranososhi wrote:

Kalister1 wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

For the record, the Scriptures were obviously written by human hands, but their content was of divine inspiration. God wrote the Scriptures by way of human beings.

Scriptures are but one holy book; almost all claim to be divine inspiration. Line forms to the right for evaluations on authenticity.

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Ask the rector to lend you any good book on comparative religion; you will
find them all listed. They were gods of the highest dignity - gods of civilized
peoples - worshipped and believed in by millions. All were omnipotent, omniscient
and immortal.

And all are dead.

- H.L. Mencken

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05 Jun 2008, 10:44 pm

Vive le Mencken!

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06 Jun 2008, 1:55 pm

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It's not a matter of abstract philosophy. Religious people are scared of dying, of returning to the absolute unknowingness of the state before they were born. When you try to convince them of the total silliness of most religions you are asking them to face inevitable death square on. It's obvious they don't want to. Logic doesn't do the trick and naturally people get angry if you take security away from them.

natbur hama bisaifi wa qama nanzil maukib it-tatbir

Why do you believe religious people are afraid of dying? You are using similar arguments as the "There are no atheists in foxholes".

The_Chosen_One wrote:

I can't speak for the Bible, but in my beliefs Scriptures are without creation.

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06 Jun 2008, 3:49 pm

The_Chosen_One wrote:

Vive le Mencken!

Mencken is dead.

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06 Jun 2008, 3:51 pm

slowmutant wrote:

The_Chosen_One wrote:

Vive le Mencken!

Mencken is dead.

God never died, since he never existed in the first place

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06 Jun 2008, 3:54 pm

Kalister1 wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

The_Chosen_One wrote:

Vive le Mencken!

Mencken is dead.

God never died, since he never existed in the first place

...I'm not touching this with a 39 1/2 foot pole.

@The dude who said, "Frued would have had a field day.": XDXDXD :lol:

:lol::lol:

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06 Jun 2008, 4:09 pm

IT's one thing to claim God Is Dead, but to also claim He never existed to begin with is some serious human arrogance.

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06 Jun 2008, 4:19 pm

slowmutant wrote:

IT's one thing to claim God Is Dead, but to also claim He never existed to begin with is some serious human arrogance.

Is it worse than claiming he died?

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06 Jun 2008, 4:43 pm

lay off the there is no god or there is a god talk.

i'm saying: why get offended over people doing something that doesn't directly affect you.

by that i mean like creating laws that are in accordance with certain religious beliefs but aren't necessarily globally bad. like sodomy laws or alcohol laws. both have its origins, at least in america, with protestant christianity and do not serve a purpose of protecting the public so much as protecting specific arbitrary religious practices and beliefs.

so: why get offended to the point of making a law about it? unless that penis is in your ass or the beer is going down your throat: why force it on others?

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