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07 Sep 2008, 4:08 am

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07 Sep 2008, 5:11 am

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Assuming now that you know what other people are thinking? Then you stick your foot in your mouth by claiming in one post that the illuminati doesn't exist, and in another that they are some shady clandestine organization as if you knew your ass from a hole in the ground.


This doesn't make any sense at all.

Anyway, have a blast with this article. Michael Shermer is a better author than I:

http://skepdic.com/illuminati.html

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Your dim view of everything that doesn't fit into your narrow little black and white dictatorial world. Your dim view of others... guess who you're really looking at?


I'm not looking at anyone at the moment.

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Again, you can't just enter a discussion and post your opinion as your opinion, it has to be fact because it is coming from you and you know all the facts..


No, I don't know all the facts.

But if you bring nothing but incoherent BS to the table, it's not hard at all to gain the upper hand in terms of factual knowledge.

My greatest strength is having incompetent opponents.

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Really? That's the best you could do with all those facts, phd and massive intellect? Translation: "I don't understand it so I can't refute it but I don't want anything challenging my overall authority so I have to belittle it"


No, I understand what you are saying perfectly. However, the burden of proof is on you, not me, to demonstrate that the mystical BS you believe in is real. It's just that simple. You can't spin some vague theory out of thin air without any kind of justification and then expect other people to believe it by default. It doesn't work that way.

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Refute, claim all factual knowledge on the subject belongs to you, and then reinforce your authoritative position by belittling anything or anyone that challenges it.


That's not the issue. The issue is whether my arguments are valid or not. You seem to have overlooked that point.

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There is also a theme to your post history. All your posts are very "clinical". There is zero compassion for others to be found in any of your posts, little or no understanding of humor and an obvious and even angry disdain for your fellow man.


'Seething hatred' would be a more appropriate description.

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And we ARE all on the same side here, regardless of what it looks like on the surface.


No.


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07 Sep 2008, 3:20 pm

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BallisticMystic wrote:
Assuming now that you know what other people are thinking? Then you stick your foot in your mouth by claiming in one post that the illuminati doesn't exist, and in another that they are some shady clandestine organization as if you knew your ass from a hole in the ground.


This doesn't make any sense at all.

Anyway, have a blast with this article. Michael Shermer is a better author than I:

http://skepdic.com/illuminati.html

BallisticMystic wrote:
Your dim view of everything that doesn't fit into your narrow little black and white dictatorial world. Your dim view of others... guess who you're really looking at?


I'm not looking at anyone at the moment.

BallisticMystic wrote:
Again, you can't just enter a discussion and post your opinion as your opinion, it has to be fact because it is coming from you and you know all the facts..


No, I don't know all the facts.

But if you bring nothing but incoherent BS to the table, it's not hard at all to gain the upper hand in terms of factual knowledge.

My greatest strength is having incompetent opponents.

BallisticMystic wrote:
Really? That's the best you could do with all those facts, phd and massive intellect? Translation: "I don't understand it so I can't refute it but I don't want anything challenging my overall authority so I have to belittle it"


No, I understand what you are saying perfectly. However, the burden of proof is on you, not me, to demonstrate that the mystical BS you believe in is real. It's just that simple. You can't spin some vague theory out of thin air without any kind of justification and then expect other people to believe it by default. It doesn't work that way.

BallisticMystic wrote:
Refute, claim all factual knowledge on the subject belongs to you, and then reinforce your authoritative position by belittling anything or anyone that challenges it.


That's not the issue. The issue is whether my arguments are valid or not. You seem to have overlooked that point.

BallisticMystic wrote:
There is also a theme to your post history. All your posts are very "clinical". There is zero compassion for others to be found in any of your posts, little or no understanding of humor and an obvious and even angry disdain for your fellow man.


'Seething hatred' would be a more appropriate description.

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And we ARE all on the same side here, regardless of what it looks like on the surface.


No.


Chever why do you post on a message board if you hate everyone? Is there anyone who enjoys reading your negative blasphemies?.. all you do is interfere with civilized debate, and instantly try to debunk any original thought just to set some kind of unhealthy balance..



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07 Sep 2008, 5:35 pm

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chever wrote:
BallisticMystic wrote:
Assuming now that you know what other people are thinking? Then you stick your foot in your mouth by claiming in one post that the illuminati doesn't exist, and in another that they are some shady clandestine organization as if you knew your ass from a hole in the ground.


This doesn't make any sense at all.

Anyway, have a blast with this article. Michael Shermer is a better author than I:

http://skepdic.com/illuminati.html

BallisticMystic wrote:
Your dim view of everything that doesn't fit into your narrow little black and white dictatorial world. Your dim view of others... guess who you're really looking at?


I'm not looking at anyone at the moment.

BallisticMystic wrote:
Again, you can't just enter a discussion and post your opinion as your opinion, it has to be fact because it is coming from you and you know all the facts..


No, I don't know all the facts.

But if you bring nothing but incoherent BS to the table, it's not hard at all to gain the upper hand in terms of factual knowledge.

My greatest strength is having incompetent opponents.

BallisticMystic wrote:
Really? That's the best you could do with all those facts, phd and massive intellect? Translation: "I don't understand it so I can't refute it but I don't want anything challenging my overall authority so I have to belittle it"


No, I understand what you are saying perfectly. However, the burden of proof is on you, not me, to demonstrate that the mystical BS you believe in is real. It's just that simple. You can't spin some vague theory out of thin air without any kind of justification and then expect other people to believe it by default. It doesn't work that way.

BallisticMystic wrote:
Refute, claim all factual knowledge on the subject belongs to you, and then reinforce your authoritative position by belittling anything or anyone that challenges it.


That's not the issue. The issue is whether my arguments are valid or not. You seem to have overlooked that point.

BallisticMystic wrote:
There is also a theme to your post history. All your posts are very "clinical". There is zero compassion for others to be found in any of your posts, little or no understanding of humor and an obvious and even angry disdain for your fellow man.


'Seething hatred' would be a more appropriate description.

BallisticMystic wrote:
And we ARE all on the same side here, regardless of what it looks like on the surface.


No.


Chever why do you post on a message board if you hate everyone? Is there anyone who enjoys reading your negative blasphemies?.. all you do is interfere with civilized debate, and instantly try to debunk any original thought just to set some kind of unhealthy balance..


It's a classic example of someone who is so far behind they think they're first. He's barely out of high school, let him be... he'll figure it out on his own in time.

He still doesn't realize or acknowledge how autism is affecting the way he views the world.


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07 Sep 2008, 5:38 pm

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Chever why do you post on a message board if you hate everyone? Is there anyone who enjoys reading your negative blasphemies?.. all you do is interfere with civilized debate, and instantly try to debunk any original thought just to set some kind of unhealthy balance..


I do not debunk any old original thought ... only BS. You appear to adhere to the doctrine of 'originality through incompetence'. Ideas are not good only by virtue of being 'original'. More frequently, they are noise, pure and simple.

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It's a classic example of someone who is so far behind they think they're first. He's barely out of high school, let him be he'll figure it out on his own in time.


Most people who are well known in the skeptical community are in their 30s, at least, which kind of makes sense.

I'm more than two years out of high school btw.


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07 Sep 2008, 6:03 pm

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ShawnWilliam wrote:
Chever why do you post on a message board if you hate everyone? Is there anyone who enjoys reading your negative blasphemies?.. all you do is interfere with civilized debate, and instantly try to debunk any original thought just to set some kind of unhealthy balance..


I do not debunk any old original thought ... only BS. You appear to adhere to the doctrine of 'originality through incompetence'. Ideas are not good only by virtue of being 'original'. More frequently, they are noise, pure and simple.

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It's a classic example of someone who is so far behind they think they're first. He's barely out of high school, let him be he'll figure it out on his own in time.


Most people who are well known in the skeptical community are in their 30s, at least, which kind of makes sense.

I'm more than two years out of high school btw.


most people in their 30's are past the learning phase of their life and have adapted to the distractions and culture around them nd usually have a family to take care of, and they simply dont like re-learning something that proves their views to be wrong. So I guess you're passed that stage aswell



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07 Sep 2008, 6:12 pm

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most people in their 30's are past the learning phase of their life and have adapted to the distractions and culture around them nd usually have a family to take care of, and they simply dont like re-learning something that proves their views to be wrong. So I guess you're passed that stage aswell


On the contrary, most skeptics are intellectually ravenous all the time.

For example, as I said earlier, I'm learning Common Lisp. It upsets a lot of expectations I have from using Python, Perl and C/C++. I noticed the Common Lisp standard has a lot of BS in it, too; I look for BS everywhere. But overall, it has a lot of good ideas and is nearly as good as Haskell, but a lot easier to use.

It seems you have mistaken discerning BS for being unwilling/unable to learn.


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07 Sep 2008, 6:14 pm

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ShawnWilliam wrote:
most people in their 30's are past the learning phase of their life and have adapted to the distractions and culture around them nd usually have a family to take care of, and they simply dont like re-learning something that proves their views to be wrong. So I guess you're passed that stage aswell


On the contrary, most skeptics are intellectually ravenous all the time.

For example, as I said earlier, I'm learning Common Lisp. It upsets a lot of expectations I have from using Python, Perl and C/C++. I noticed the Common Lisp standard has a lot of BS in it, too; I look for BS everywhere. But overall, it has a lot of good ideas and is nearly as good as Haskell, but a lot easier to use.

It seems you have mistaken discerning BS for being unwilling/unable to learn.


I didn't say you were unable to learn, I said you were unable to RE-learn something that you previously thought to be true.. you've showed no signs of flexibility in your mind.



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07 Sep 2008, 6:22 pm

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I didn't say you were unable to learn, I said you were unable to RE-learn something that you previously thought to be true.. you've showed no signs of flexibility in your mind.


I previously believed generic functions were a sh***y way of implementing an object system, but I've been shown to be wrong.

See, I only reconsider things I already consider to be correct when someone has evidence that demonstrates I'm wrong.

You do not have that kind of evidence, so please can this mystic Yoda BS.


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07 Sep 2008, 6:42 pm

see but that's the very thing.. you are black and white.. unflexible.. you cant let an original thought inspire thought in your head unles it has a 100 page essay and susbtantial proof attached to it.. you can't think for yourself. You rely on 'proven' data.



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07 Sep 2008, 7:29 pm

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see but that's the very thing.. you are black and white.. unflexible.. you cant let an original thought inspire thought in your head unles it has a 100 page essay and susbtantial proof attached to it..


I really appreciate formal proof and want to get better at it but for now I'm more into 'hands-on' material and things making sense intuitively.

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you can't think for yourself.


I'm a programmer and mathematician in training. Creativity is one of the most important tools in the box for us.

For example, there is a very large part of graph theory that was originally only about finding out how you can color a map such that no two adjacent countries have the same color. It has since been abstracted to any situation where there are agents (represented by vertices) 'competing' for resources with certain constraints (represented by edges), and the problem is to find out how many units of the resource to allocate so that all the agents can coexist. The solution is to color the graph in these cases.

For my part, I am interested in analyzing traffic patterns with Markov chains so that stoplights can be made more efficient. Here again, Markov chains are very abstract and general structures that can be used in a lot of different ways, and you need creativity to use them.

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You rely on 'proven' data.


Yeah, that's a real character flaw, huh? I need quote-unquote 'evidence' to believe something.


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07 Sep 2008, 7:41 pm

chever wrote:
ShawnWilliam wrote:
Chever why do you post on a message board if you hate everyone? Is there anyone who enjoys reading your negative blasphemies?.. all you do is interfere with civilized debate, and instantly try to debunk any original thought just to set some kind of unhealthy balance..


I do not debunk any old original thought ... only BS. You appear to adhere to the doctrine of 'originality through incompetence'.

BallisticMystic wrote:
It's a classic example of someone who is so far behind they think they're first. He's barely out of high school, let him be he'll figure it out on his own in time.


Most people who are well known in the skeptical community are in their 30s, at least, which kind of makes sense.

I'm more than two years out of high school btw.


I'd love to hear some of your original thoughts, because there aren't any in facts and figures and tbh the whole refuting everything just to piss people off under the guise of skepticism is getting a little boring. So are the ridiculously stupid responses you give to things you don't understand, I'd expect that out of a 2 year old but you're not.

Honestly, take a chance and put your own stuff out there, with a mind like that you must have something original in there to offer. For starters, instead of just being negative and rude, why not tell us why you're so pissed off and why you have such a hatred for whatever it is you actually hate because to me the whole profile of what you're doing here looks like a cry for help.

You haven't offended me and I have no cause to dislike you so whenever you're ready to get real don't hesitate, I won't be picking your posts apart. There's a lot of support here from people that have been through it, I'm pretty sure you're not here just to pick on the mentally and socially handicapped to prove your massive intellect.


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07 Sep 2008, 7:45 pm

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Honestly, take a chance and put your own stuff out there, with a mind like that you must have something original in there to offer. For starters, instead of just being negative and rude, why not tell us why you're so pissed off and why you have such a hatred for whatever it is you actually hate because to me the whole profile of what you're doing here looks like a cry for help.


I expounded on that earlier.

Most of my original ideas are about some kind of technology.


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07 Sep 2008, 9:06 pm

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BallisticMystic wrote:
Honestly, take a chance and put your own stuff out there, with a mind like that you must have something original in there to offer. For starters, instead of just being negative and rude, why not tell us why you're so pissed off and why you have such a hatred for whatever it is you actually hate because to me the whole profile of what you're doing here looks like a cry for help.


I expounded on that earlier.

Most of my original ideas are about some kind of technology.


That was a duck and cover. :P

So what's an original idea you have about technology that can't be found in any book or off the shelf source?

I'm not being facetious, I'd really like to hear it.


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07 Sep 2008, 9:32 pm

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So what's an original idea you have about technology that can't be found in any book or off the shelf source?


I mentioned a proposal for analyzing traffic with Markov chains earlier, that I can hopefully spin into my thesis.

Briefly, traffic lights should always be run in proportion to how many cars are going to head through one side of an intersection vs. the other. The probabilistic model should be updated on a regular basis, several times a day, or according to special conditions such as public festivals and road work. On my way to the library, there used to be a section of road that was shut down for pothole repair. The traffic lights would stupidly insist on acting like anyone might come through the intersecting road despite all the damn construction equipment there, and people sat there and wasted a whole bunch of gas.

I was relieved to find out that the technology exists to implement the kind of detection necessary and is pretty widespread. (see here http://www.splatco.com/tips/loops.htm)

There is some research into these kinds of things already, but my model, when I have enough education and research data to carry it out fully, will probably differ from the existing models in some respects. There are a lot of little details that need to be taken care of, like balancing efficiency vs. not aggravating the motorists. It might be possible to train the traffic control system according to a random sample of motorist opinion, but the real efficiency still has to be considered and take priority. I also wonder about how I'll need to balance autonomy vs. input from engineers and whether somewhat different models would be more appropriate for different kinds of areas. There is a huge amount of data I'll need to look at to realize the plan and it should be quite a challenge.


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