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snake321
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13 Oct 2008, 2:17 am

greenblue wrote:
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"The Church kept closer to reason than Galileo".

Seems to be a creationist argument ;)
AFAIK Heliocentrism theory was already made and Galileo was the first one to provide evidence to support it, and the church rejected it at the time considering it Heresy, similar to why creationists reject evolution.


Yeah but since you say "evidence isn't truth" and "truth is only subjective", then why is your "truth" supported as an objective fact here? Now your contradicting yourself.



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13 Oct 2008, 7:44 am

snake321 wrote:
greenblue wrote:
ouinon wrote:
"The Church kept closer to reason than Galileo".

Seems to be a creationist argument ;)
AFAIK Heliocentrism theory was already made and Galileo was the first one to provide evidence to support it, and the church rejected it at the time considering it Heresy, similar to why creationists reject evolution.


Yeah but since you say "evidence isn't truth" and "truth is only subjective", then why is your "truth" supported as an objective fact here? Now your contradicting yourself.


Yes. :lol:



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13 Oct 2008, 1:33 pm

snake321 wrote:
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I suggest that most/all religions were invented by people who couldn't stop asking questions, for people who not only thirsted for understanding, but who needed support structures ( mental and social ) for handling longterm projects, participating in society, coping with the predictably uncontrollable/uncertain in life, etc.
There is no solid proof that any of the religious prophets of the world religions ever existed, be it jesus, mohammed. So how can you jump to the conclusion of saying "oh they must have been autistic"?

I completely agree with you about there being no solid evidence for the historical existence of Jesus, Buddha, etc. Thus it is not part of my argument that "they" should have been AS/Aspergers.

Rather I am saying that many of the most significant thinkers/philosophers and writers who contributed to the creation and growth of religion, ( esp. the "spiritual"/psychological wisdom collected in religious texts and practices/teachings ), may have been AS/Aspergers/"near the spectrum", struggling with issues particularly common to AS/"near the spectrum" people, like how to deal with our disabling lack of "natural" faith, for instance.

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13 Oct 2008, 6:31 pm

greenblue wrote:
ouinon wrote:
"The Church kept closer to reason than Galileo".

Seems to be a creationist argument ;)
AFAIK Heliocentrism theory was already made and Galileo was the first one to provide evidence to support it, and the church rejected it at the time considering it Heresy, similar to why creationists reject evolution.


I think people just have a fear of the fact that if somethings shiny, the average person is too attention deficit and rather than reconciling it to fit the reality they know will by some short circuit in the brain alienate all kinds of things that aren't inherently disproved by any of it. All that a heliocentric solar system means is we have to be a bit more humble about our status in the universe, all that evolution means is that a lot of Genesis is a bit more allegory than something to be taken literally (and even literally - how long is a day before there is light? could have been negative infinity all the way up to the big bang really).