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06 Mar 2009, 5:42 am

I watched an interesting part of a film yesterday. I'm sure some of you are familiar with the movie Constantine. It proposes an interesting idea as a kind of extra in the plot, that things like alcoholism, smoking and such are forms of suicide and if you 'do' them, you'll go to hell. (this is weaved within the main characters story as he smokes 30 a day and knows he will go to hell for it)
I wondered if it is possible. Surely you don't mean to kill yourself, so its not a form of suicide?
what do you think?


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06 Mar 2009, 6:26 am

Sounds silly to me, I'm pretty sure its not suicide unless your trying to kill yourself.



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06 Mar 2009, 7:13 am

Whether it's suicide or not, lung cancer isn't fun - either for the one who has it, or their family.
I don't know what the odds are of developing it, but I would rather not take the risk.


Though in terms of taking risks, I often jaywalk, however being hit by a car is a lot less painful way to go compared to the months of pain and gradual shutdown of one's body.



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06 Mar 2009, 8:13 am

Is fast food a form of suicide? Of course not, it's a form of indulgence.



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06 Mar 2009, 8:19 am

If there is no intention to kill one's self then it is not suicide. It is dangerous and foolish self indulgence, but not suicide as such.

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06 Mar 2009, 8:38 am

Here's your 99% alcoholic beer, I have now killed you 0.005 times.


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06 Mar 2009, 8:39 am

Is climbing Mt. Everest a form of suicide?

think about it



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06 Mar 2009, 9:26 am

digger1 wrote:
Is climbing Mt. Everest a form of suicide?

think about it


No it isn't. People who do it expect to come down safely. It is dangerous, but it is not suicidal. Suicidal means there is an intent to kill one's self.

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06 Mar 2009, 10:15 am

If they are the cause of you death and the person wants to die sure, but if bus loses control and runs up on the sidewalk and smashes the head into a zillion little pieces then no.


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06 Mar 2009, 9:19 pm

my brother recently had half a lung removed .iwas with him for a year in cali. thru the surgery and the kimo therapy his surgon told me if the cancer comes back it will settle in his organs mabe his brain and it will kill him fast. do i think smoking is suicidal? yes, do i think my brother has a poor me christion victum stance? yes. he still smokes and hes waitting for the end of his world, which his god has promised him.


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06 Mar 2009, 10:46 pm

my brother recently had half a lung removed .iwas with him for a year in cali. thru the surgery and the kimo therapy his surgon told me if the cancer comes back it will settle in his organs mabe his brain and it will kill him fast. do i think smoking is suicidal? yes, do i think my brother has a poor me christion victum stance? yes. he still smokes and hes waitting for the end of his world, which his god has promised him.


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06 Mar 2009, 11:13 pm

oomogi wrote:
my brother recently had half a lung removed .iwas with him for a year in cali. thru the surgery and the kimo therapy his surgon told me if the cancer comes back it will settle in his organs mabe his brain and it will kill him fast. do i think smoking is suicidal? yes, do i think my brother has a poor me christion victum stance? yes. he still smokes and hes waitting for the end of his world, which his god has promised him.


you're 48 and from the US?

I find your signature hilarious!

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06 Mar 2009, 11:59 pm

actualy im german and korean and i imigrated to the us. im also dislexic with autism. do u find asperger syndrom funny too?


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07 Mar 2009, 1:37 am

"smoking cigerettes are itty bitty bullets in litty bitty guns"

~someone I forget talking about smoking being suicide


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07 Mar 2009, 2:39 am

Only if you consider jumping a four-wheeler over a house suicide. Sure, some people do it because they want to die, but mostly, it's just natural selection.



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07 Mar 2009, 3:20 am

No smoking is not a form of suicide (unless the practitioner is one f****d up dude that wants to die over several decades :lol: )
I believe smoking and all other obvious harmful behaviours are a external realisation of a lack of self respect and self love. Or put another way they are symptom of self loathing


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