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11 Mar 2009, 9:17 pm

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Cur in inferno debet importare te?


Crimen extinguitur mortalitate.


Crimen est vocans numerum circumitum com praenomen eius.

Big deal.



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11 Mar 2009, 9:22 pm

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... than at the end is the bible nothing more than a collection of dubious books written by uneducated people.

Some of them were educated by the standards of the time (Luke was a doctor). If you want to consider the Bible 'nothing' or 'dubious', that's fine, but if you want to convince anyone else, you might consider providing evidence or logical arguments of some type.


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11 Mar 2009, 9:23 pm

SIC HOC LEGERE SCIS NIMIVM ERVDITIONIS HABES


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11 Mar 2009, 9:25 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Dussel wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Cur in inferno debet importare te?


Crimen extinguitur mortalitate.


Crimen est vocans numerum circumitum com praenomen eius.


Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.


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11 Mar 2009, 11:38 pm

Ancalagon wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Dussel wrote:
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Cur in inferno debet importare te? "Why in heck should it move you?


Crimen extinguitur mortalitate. "The reproach may be to the death.'


Crimen est vocans numerum circumitum com praenomen eius.
"The reproach is calling circumference's number with its first name.


Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
Whatever Latin may be said, may be highly esteemed.




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SIC HOC LEGERE SCIS NIMIVM ERVDITIONIS HABES

"In order to read this you must be highly educated."



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12 Mar 2009, 3:42 am

quid? vexari mi?

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12 Mar 2009, 5:52 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
The waters of the Flood would be the same waters that fill the current sea basins and trenches.

If the surface of the Earth were level, all points equidistant from Earth's center,
then how deep would the ocean that covers the Earth be?

let V = total volume of water on Earth = 1.3380e6 km^3 (http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/earthwherewater.html)
let r = mean radius of Earth (with water) = 6371.0 km (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth)
let r2 = mean radius of Earth without water = ? (to be solved)
let dr = depth of water = (r - r2) = ? (to be calculated)
(.75 π r^3) - (.75 π r2^3) = V,
(.75 π (6371^3)) - (.75 π r2^3) = 1.3380e6,
solving for r2 = 6368.4 km.
∴ dr ≈ 2.6 km.



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12 Mar 2009, 8:09 am

PhaethonH wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
The waters of the Flood would be the same waters that fill the current sea basins and trenches.

If the surface of the Earth were level, all points equidistant from Earth's center,
then how deep would the ocean that covers the Earth be?

let V = total volume of water on Earth = 1.3380e6 km^3 (http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/earthwherewater.html)
let r = mean radius of Earth (with water) = 6371.0 km (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth)
let r2 = mean radius of Earth without water = ? (to be solved)
let dr = depth of water = (r - r2) = ? (to be calculated)
(.75 π r^3) - (.75 π r2^3) = V,
(.75 π (6371^3)) - (.75 π r2^3) = 1.3380e6,
solving for r2 = 6368.4 km.
∴ dr ≈ 2.6 km.


Which means the flood would not cover the highest mountain and go fifteen cubits higher still. Ergo, the Biblical Flood never happened.

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12 Mar 2009, 8:49 am

ruveyn wrote:
PhaethonH wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
The waters of the Flood would be the same waters that fill the current sea basins and trenches.

If the surface of the Earth were level, all points equidistant from Earth's center,
then how deep would the ocean that covers the Earth be?

let V = total volume of water on Earth = 1.3380e6 km^3 (http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/earthwherewater.html)
let r = mean radius of Earth (with water) = 6371.0 km (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth)
let r2 = mean radius of Earth without water = ? (to be solved)
let dr = depth of water = (r - r2) = ? (to be calculated)
(.75 π r^3) - (.75 π r2^3) = V,
(.75 π (6371^3)) - (.75 π r2^3) = 1.3380e6,
solving for r2 = 6368.4 km.
∴ dr ≈ 2.6 km.


Which means the flood would not cover the highest mountain and go fifteen cubits higher still. Ergo, the Biblical Flood never happened.

ruveyn


Only if you can't read.

"if the surface of the Earth were level, all points equidistant from Earth's center, "

The highest mountains wouldn't have existed yet as of then.
Earth's surface was changed by this tectonic event.



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12 Mar 2009, 10:18 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
PhaethonH wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
The waters of the Flood would be the same waters that fill the current sea basins and trenches.

If the surface of the Earth were level, all points equidistant from Earth's center,
then how deep would the ocean that covers the Earth be?

let V = total volume of water on Earth = 1.3380e6 km^3 (http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/earthwherewater.html)
let r = mean radius of Earth (with water) = 6371.0 km (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth)
let r2 = mean radius of Earth without water = ? (to be solved)
let dr = depth of water = (r - r2) = ? (to be calculated)
(.75 π r^3) - (.75 π r2^3) = V,
(.75 π (6371^3)) - (.75 π r2^3) = 1.3380e6,
solving for r2 = 6368.4 km.
∴ dr ≈ 2.6 km.


Which means the flood would not cover the highest mountain and go fifteen cubits higher still. Ergo, the Biblical Flood never happened.

ruveyn


Only if you can't read.

"if the surface of the Earth were level, all points equidistant from Earth's center, "

The highest mountains wouldn't have existed yet as of then.
Earth's surface was changed by this tectonic event.


Ah. but this condition never existed. And if it had existed why did the Scripture say the flood would rise fifteen cubits above the highest mountain. In your scenario there are no mountains.

In any case the Flood Story is just a Story. There is not a scintilla of truth to it.

There never was a world-wide flood, but there may have been a world wide glacier -- the Snowball Earth Hypothesis.

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12 Mar 2009, 11:21 am

ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
PhaethonH wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
The waters of the Flood would be the same waters that fill the current sea basins and trenches.

If the surface of the Earth were level, all points equidistant from Earth's center,
then how deep would the ocean that covers the Earth be?

let V = total volume of water on Earth = 1.3380e6 km^3 (http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/earthwherewater.html)
let r = mean radius of Earth (with water) = 6371.0 km (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth)
let r2 = mean radius of Earth without water = ? (to be solved)
let dr = depth of water = (r - r2) = ? (to be calculated)
(.75 π r^3) - (.75 π r2^3) = V,
(.75 π (6371^3)) - (.75 π r2^3) = 1.3380e6,
solving for r2 = 6368.4 km.
∴ dr ≈ 2.6 km.


Which means the flood would not cover the highest mountain and go fifteen cubits higher still. Ergo, the Biblical Flood never happened.

ruveyn


Only if you can't read.

"if the surface of the Earth were level, all points equidistant from Earth's center, "

The highest mountains wouldn't have existed yet as of then.
Earth's surface was changed by this tectonic event.


Ah. but this condition never existed. And if it had existed why did the Scripture say the flood would rise fifteen cubits above the highest mountain. In your scenario there are no mountains.


For one, it's "fifteen cubits upward":

Quote:
Genesis 7:20
[20] Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.


There are two statements there, that the waters were greater than 15 cubits deep,
and that the mountains became submerged.

As for the statement of fifteen cubits specifically, as in why the value 15, it is half of 30, the height of the ship and indicate that the Ark was halfway submerged. Having 15 cubits + of clearance between the hull bottom and the obstacles underneath.

Quote:
Genesis 6:15
[15] And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.



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12 Mar 2009, 11:26 am

a 2000 year old book-with all its mumbo jumbo seems not to be taken that seriously by most people here
I mean-its a lousy concept
god will kill yo if you do anything-but he loves you
funny s**t

its a comedy novel, really-a boring one at places



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12 Mar 2009, 11:29 am

Whether people anywhere take something seriously or not has no bearing on its veracity.



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12 Mar 2009, 11:35 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Whether people anywhere take something seriously or not has no bearing on its veracity.


true, but what makes it real?
because a man in a stupid hat says so?



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12 Mar 2009, 11:39 am

Kilroy wrote:
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Whether people anywhere take something seriously or not has no bearing on its veracity.


true, but what makes it real?
because a man in a stupid hat says so?


No, things are only true if they happened, as in history, or function, as in science.



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12 Mar 2009, 11:41 am

7 ] so...it never happened, is what your saying
well we know some things happened-there was a Rome, and Egypt
I mean the weirder shit-like Jesus being god

people were crucified by the thousands in ancient Rome, hence why I didn't give a rats ass about that passion movie
I know the Romans-and other pagan (and christian) empires had worse ways of killing people