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Who will win the American Presidential election?
George W. Bush 17%  17%  [ 20 ]
George W. Bush 17%  17%  [ 20 ]
John Kerry 33%  33%  [ 39 ]
John Kerry 33%  33%  [ 39 ]
Total votes : 118

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11 Jul 2004, 2:58 pm

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Yeah. I'm not in favor of the electoral college, but I'm not in favor of removing it either. I mean, if we remove such a basic constitutional thing, what's next? Separation of powers? Freedom of speech? A very slippery slope.


One might argue that with the congress and the executive branch controlled by one political party, and the two of them putting extreme pressures on the 3rd branch of government to the point of attempting something as radical as Constitutional amendments, we no longer have separation of powers. Corporations control everything anyway.

One might also argue that with the 7 (?) people controlling the companies that own all forms of mass media that we no longer have freedom of the press, and freedom of speech is lovely to say but when the government can (PATRIOT act) legally spy on its own citizens communications without notifying them of it, who's to say retribution won't conveniently come from a cooked excuse on a different front?

But really the problem is the fallacy of a slippery slope. We can't ban all changes to the Constitution on the argument that even desirable changes will lead to undesirable ones. The best you can do is argue on a case-to-case basis. I'm not in support of DOMA (Denial of Marriage Act), but might consider an amendment to solve the Electoral College conundrum for instance. And the "right to form a well organized militia" is a bit outdated what with us spending 49% of our federal budget on our military. Like a friend of mine said on gun control, "If you want to play with big guns, join the army. We have lots of guns there."



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15 Jul 2004, 2:11 pm

Bush = b****** and he leads Blair around like a dog on a lead. He isn't doing your countries' image abroad any favours.
Watching a news report recently I was shocked at how much your news and press are edited (this report partly focused on the film farenheit 9/11). how little you guys were- and still are- shown about the war in Iraq is worrying. Freedom of the press seems to have disappeared.


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17 Jul 2004, 2:22 pm

Bush barely won the last election. Only because of how difficult it was for people to vote for the right canidate. I was watching Kerry's speech with the NAACP on Fox News Thursday and I was reading some interesting facts. About 1,000,000 blacks who wanted to vote didnt get to vote in time for the elections in 2000. Also, about 90% of the black vote was for Al Gore. Comparing the 2000 to 2004 election with everything going on today and making voting much easier than before, I seriously doubt Bush is going to win.

GO KERRY!! !
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17 Jul 2004, 11:03 pm

I heard President Bush at a rally somewhere begging voters to consider giving him "FOUR MORE YEARS". I say to the American public a slogan they should strongly consider at the next election is "NO MORE YEARS" :!: :lol:

I'm on the John Kerry bandwagon, most definitely :!:



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17 Jul 2004, 11:40 pm

There is hardly a day that goes by that I don't hear about something that George Bush has done that I don't think, "What in the h... must he be smoking!?!"

I live in a small SC town. I love Kerry...and Edwards is OK too, but here's what really brings it home for me. I was in the office supply store and overheard two stock clerks talking. One of them exactly stated my sentiments. Bush is SOOOO bad, that I don't care WHOelse wins as long as they do. The clerk said that somebody could pull his alcoholic mechanic uncle out from under a car and have him fly the desk at the White House and we'd be in better stead than we are with Bush.

And, no, I have not even been to see Ferienheit 9/11.



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18 Jul 2004, 12:08 am

There are 2.3 million African-Americans in Florida, and 1.84 million are of voting age. About 60% are registered to vote. That's 1.1 million registered African American voters in Florida. Voter turnout is usually between 60 and 70 percent for the presidential elections. So in all likelihood, at most, 770,000 black voters even tried to vote.

I don't know where you live, but I live in Oakland California and if somebody tried to stop black voters here you would here the ruckus clear over on the East Coast.

So the one million number is a lie. By telling this lie, they make it easy for people to dismiss the story. If voters were turned away, they should give us more exact information, so that the public will believe it. Leaders who give out this kind of misinformation make blacks look dishonest. That is not helpful.

Be as aspie, don't believe everything the media tells you. Check the facts for youself.



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18 Jul 2004, 12:10 am

Over the last few years, I've given Bush benefit of the doubt too many times. I kept hoping each month, "this time it will be different, he'll bring it around for a good long-term effect", and I was thinking that after 9/11 despite the tragedy... but stuff just kept on happening, and happening some more... until we are at the present. Sure, everyone makes mistakes, but you can't let the dog go without obedience training forever! I'd have to say that if Bush was fooling me, he's made a fool out of me too many times now and I have been dishonored by that :oops:

Sorry Bush, I gotta go with Donald Trump on this one: YOU'RE FIRED! :D

I've not seen Fahrenheit 9/11 either. But I want to. Despite what objectors to the film think, if Bush is "such a wonderful prez", why isn't there a blockbuster in theaters praising him? Or would that be "propaganda"? Then why are they accusing Fahrenheit 9/11 of being that? Wacky, I tells ya.



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18 Jul 2004, 5:51 pm

sheila wrote:
So the one million number is a lie. By telling this lie, they make it easy for people to dismiss the story. If voters were turned away, they should give us more exact information, so that the public will believe it. Leaders who give out this kind of misinformation make blacks look dishonest. That is not helpful.

Be as aspie, don't believe everything the media tells you. Check the facts for youself.


http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=7801&fcategory_desc=E-Voting%20Machines%20/%20Vote%20Integrity

I wasnt talking about the vote just in Florida but nation wide



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08 Aug 2004, 1:49 pm

I know this doesn't really have to do with the presidential election, but I read that the Republicans :P are now competing with the Democrats :D , product-wise. In other words, W ketchup has been put out as a competitor to Heinz, and Star Spangled Ice Cream to Ben & Jerry's, for reasons like "Ben & Jerry's has French Vanilla. That's just plain...not American." and "Heinz is sent to 57 different countries. W ketchup comes in one flavor: American." Bush cares about other countries over America in particular, so he's trying to do this to earn our trust so we all vote for him to continue to mislead our country (or at least that's what I'm guessing). On a sidenote, Bush has brainwashed my own grandmother to vote for him! All this talk about President Bush reminds me of Episode 39 of The Addams Family. "Mayor Henson got elected for coneiving, wheeling and dealing, and lots of razzle-dazzle." Remind you of someone who happens to live at the White House?

:!: Mich :?:



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08 Aug 2004, 4:54 pm

I am a Republican, so therefore I shall make zero comment if I do not want to be killed.



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08 Aug 2004, 5:02 pm

hilarythebaker wrote:
I am a Republican, so therefore I shall make zero comment if I do not want to be killed.


No one will kill you based on your opinions even though those opinions are different from theirs. I'm not surprised that you're a republican when I see that you live in Texas.


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08 Aug 2004, 5:35 pm

Thank you, Alex, I was more or less kidding about the getting killed part.



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09 Aug 2004, 5:03 pm

it is always interesting to hear what americans have to say about bush, (good & bad). in england we are supposed to be U.S's political allies but he is not popular here! when it comes to the delicate matters of world politics, he is down right dangerous and he is making america an even more insular place than before/is healthy.

back to the question: who's going to win? i think maybe bush will stay.



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10 Aug 2004, 6:18 pm

I don't like Bush, plain and simple. I never cared for him, I hope he loses this years election. There I said it :P



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20 Aug 2004, 8:10 am

The fact that Bush is trying through his cronies to smear John Kerry's Vietnam record proves that he doesn't deserve another term in the White House. The guy is a liar and a bozo and the American public deserves a man of great character and integrity like John Kerry as President.

No more years for George Bush :!: :evil:



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22 Aug 2004, 11:44 am

One can criticise Bush on this site without being ravaged by a pack of rabid republicans?

How extraordinary! 8O