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07 May 2009, 10:30 am

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My point, as already stated, is that one's Jewishness bears no meaning or relevence if one hates his own people, AKA seeks their assured harm through their expulsion from their one and only homeland into the world that gave them the Holocaust. And expulsion from a homeland whose soil is so packed full of both the bodies and the artifacts which bear witness to the Jews' both ancient and continuous presence in the land. Israel was never vacant of Jews after God led Moses and the Israelites to the land, which was around 3,500 years ago. There was a continuous presence in the land from then until this day.

God said, "I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee", Genesis 12:3a. Does that say it excludes Jews who curse Israel? If a Jew fully helped the Nazis, would those Jews who suffered in the Holocaust likely consider that person to be Jewish? Of course not. They would consider him a complete apostate, a Nazi and no Jew.

Also, you do realize that the only thing that makes Jews so special is God? Therefore, those Jews who teach against God's expressed provision of the land of Israel for the Jews go against He who made them a people in the first place when He called Abraham! They reject He in which their Jewishness consists. Thus, they are not Jewish. To the extent that one can read the word "Jew" if printed on the edge of a razor blade, Israel-hating "Jews" can be considered to be Jewish.


If it were not for Zionism, Anti semitism would not be a Big issue



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07 May 2009, 10:46 am

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I am violently disgusted


May I see that sometime? :lol: That sounds entertaining to watch.

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We are balanced on a knife edge now of destroying this lovely very vulnerable small unique planet and sending it into the hell of the dead rocks that spin around our star or seeing what a jewel we inhabit and turn to understand and value the treasure which made and sustains us.


Well, no. If you're talking about "Global Warming", or "Climate Change" -- liberals' re-adjusted, catch-all phrase for anything that ever happens with the weather, it is the height of hubris to claim that we, as like Christ, "have the keys of Hell and of death" (Rev 1:18) for our planet. That belief, indeed, makes one feel godlike, but it is illusion. A single Volcano can blast more destructive gases and chemicals into the atmosphere in an instant than the total that the U.S. has produced in its entire history! Do the math, and you'll see how insignificant humans really are, when compared with the Earth's natural self-balancing mechanisms.


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07 May 2009, 10:57 am

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Laconvivencia wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJHrtYOIIFI[/youtube]

Watch this video Ragtime and this could change you mind, this show that not all Jews are Zionist.


My point, as already stated, is that one's Jewishness bears no meaning or relevence if one hates his own people, AKA seeks their assured harm through their expulsion from their one and only homeland into the world that gave them the Holocaust. And expulsion from a homeland whose soil is so packed full of both the bodies and the artifacts which bear witness to the Jews' both ancient and continuous presence in the land. Israel was never vacant of Jews after God led Moses and the Israelites to the land, which was around 3,500 years ago. There was a continuous presence in the land from then until this day.

God said, "I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee", Genesis 12:3a. Does that say it excludes Jews who curse Israel? If a Jew fully helped the Nazis, would those Jews who suffered in the Holocaust likely consider that person to be Jewish? Of course not. They would consider him a complete apostate, a Nazi and no Jew.

Also, you do realize that the only thing that makes Jews so special is God? Therefore, those Jews who teach against God's expressed provision of the land of Israel for the Jews go against He who made them a people in the first place when He called Abraham! They reject He in which their Jewishness consists. Thus, they are not Jewish. To the extent that one can read the word "Jew" if printed on the edge of a razor blade, Israel-hating "Jews" can be considered to be Jewish.


It's rather neat of the Jews to have convinced some gullible people that God has made them special. Considering how they have been persecuted for centuries they must have done something rather special to anger God.


God set up treatment of the Jews by world as the yardstick by which the world will be judged. What the world does to the Jews, God takes personally:

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31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations [the word for Gentiles]: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren [the Jews], ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


So, those who treat the Jews with love and compassion in their oppression will enter Heaven, while those who treat those victims with disdain and hate will go to Hell.

When God chose the Jews, Satan chose them too -- but to harm. Satan angers the world against the Jews, for the double purpose of both damning the world (for it is a curse upon them to harm the Jews) and his own continued rebellion against God.


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07 May 2009, 11:01 am

Ragtime wrote:
Sand wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Laconvivencia wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJHrtYOIIFI[/youtube]

Watch this video Ragtime and this could change you mind, this show that not all Jews are Zionist.


My point, as already stated, is that one's Jewishness bears no meaning or relevence if one hates his own people, AKA seeks their assured harm through their expulsion from their one and only homeland into the world that gave them the Holocaust. And expulsion from a homeland whose soil is so packed full of both the bodies and the artifacts which bear witness to the Jews' both ancient and continuous presence in the land. Israel was never vacant of Jews after God led Moses and the Israelites to the land, which was around 3,500 years ago. There was a continuous presence in the land from then until this day.

God said, "I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee", Genesis 12:3a. Does that say it excludes Jews who curse Israel? If a Jew fully helped the Nazis, would those Jews who suffered in the Holocaust likely consider that person to be Jewish? Of course not. They would consider him a complete apostate, a Nazi and no Jew.

Also, you do realize that the only thing that makes Jews so special is God? Therefore, those Jews who teach against God's expressed provision of the land of Israel for the Jews go against He who made them a people in the first place when He called Abraham! They reject He in which their Jewishness consists. Thus, they are not Jewish. To the extent that one can read the word "Jew" if printed on the edge of a razor blade, Israel-hating "Jews" can be considered to be Jewish.


It's rather neat of the Jews to have convinced some gullible people that God has made them special. Considering how they have been persecuted for centuries they must have done something rather special to anger God.


God set up treatment of the Jews by world as the yardstick by which the world will be judged. What the world does to the Jews, God takes personally. When God chose them, Satan chose them too -- but to harm. Satan riles up the world against the Jews, for the double purpose of both damning the world and rebelling against God.


And God, of course, is totally helpless when faced with Satan.



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07 May 2009, 11:04 am

Sand wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sand wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Laconvivencia wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJHrtYOIIFI[/youtube]

Watch this video Ragtime and this could change you mind, this show that not all Jews are Zionist.


My point, as already stated, is that one's Jewishness bears no meaning or relevence if one hates his own people, AKA seeks their assured harm through their expulsion from their one and only homeland into the world that gave them the Holocaust. And expulsion from a homeland whose soil is so packed full of both the bodies and the artifacts which bear witness to the Jews' both ancient and continuous presence in the land. Israel was never vacant of Jews after God led Moses and the Israelites to the land, which was around 3,500 years ago. There was a continuous presence in the land from then until this day.

God said, "I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee", Genesis 12:3a. Does that say it excludes Jews who curse Israel? If a Jew fully helped the Nazis, would those Jews who suffered in the Holocaust likely consider that person to be Jewish? Of course not. They would consider him a complete apostate, a Nazi and no Jew.

Also, you do realize that the only thing that makes Jews so special is God? Therefore, those Jews who teach against God's expressed provision of the land of Israel for the Jews go against He who made them a people in the first place when He called Abraham! They reject He in which their Jewishness consists. Thus, they are not Jewish. To the extent that one can read the word "Jew" if printed on the edge of a razor blade, Israel-hating "Jews" can be considered to be Jewish.


It's rather neat of the Jews to have convinced some gullible people that God has made them special. Considering how they have been persecuted for centuries they must have done something rather special to anger God.


God set up treatment of the Jews by world as the yardstick by which the world will be judged. What the world does to the Jews, God takes personally. When God chose them, Satan chose them too -- but to harm. Satan riles up the world against the Jews, for the double purpose of both damning the world and rebelling against God.


And God, of course, is totally helpless when faced with Satan.


Israel is once again a nation. One people together in their original homeland after a dispersal of nearly 2,000 years. An equivalent has never happened in all of recorded history to any other people. I call that a miracle.


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07 May 2009, 11:09 am

Ragtime wrote:
Sand wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sand wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Laconvivencia wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJHrtYOIIFI[/youtube]

Watch this video Ragtime and this could change you mind, this show that not all Jews are Zionist.


My point, as already stated, is that one's Jewishness bears no meaning or relevence if one hates his own people, AKA seeks their assured harm through their expulsion from their one and only homeland into the world that gave them the Holocaust. And expulsion from a homeland whose soil is so packed full of both the bodies and the artifacts which bear witness to the Jews' both ancient and continuous presence in the land. Israel was never vacant of Jews after God led Moses and the Israelites to the land, which was around 3,500 years ago. There was a continuous presence in the land from then until this day.

God said, "I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee", Genesis 12:3a. Does that say it excludes Jews who curse Israel? If a Jew fully helped the Nazis, would those Jews who suffered in the Holocaust likely consider that person to be Jewish? Of course not. They would consider him a complete apostate, a Nazi and no Jew.

Also, you do realize that the only thing that makes Jews so special is God? Therefore, those Jews who teach against God's expressed provision of the land of Israel for the Jews go against He who made them a people in the first place when He called Abraham! They reject He in which their Jewishness consists. Thus, they are not Jewish. To the extent that one can read the word "Jew" if printed on the edge of a razor blade, Israel-hating "Jews" can be considered to be Jewish.


It's rather neat of the Jews to have convinced some gullible people that God has made them special. Considering how they have been persecuted for centuries they must have done something rather special to anger God.


God set up treatment of the Jews by world as the yardstick by which the world will be judged. What the world does to the Jews, God takes personally. When God chose them, Satan chose them too -- but to harm. Satan riles up the world against the Jews, for the double purpose of both damning the world and rebelling against God.


And God, of course, is totally helpless when faced with Satan.


Israel is once again a nation. One people together in their original homeland after a dispersal of nearly 2,000 years. An equivalent has never happened in all of recorded history to any other people. I call that a miracle.


Therefore you wholly approve the Holocaust which was pivotal in getting that done. Hosannas to the Nazis.



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07 May 2009, 8:09 pm

let's review definition of a miracle please. Now according to wikipedia :

"[...] In casual usage, "miracle" may also refer to any statistically unlikely but beneficial event, (such as the survival of a natural disaster) or even which regarded as "wonderful" regardless of its likelihood, such as birth. Other miracles might be: survival of a terminal illness, escaping a life threatening situation or 'beating the odds.' [...]"



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08 May 2009, 10:03 am

Sand wrote:
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Israel is once again a nation. One people together in their original homeland after a dispersal of nearly 2,000 years. An equivalent has never happened in all of recorded history to any other people. I call that a miracle.


Therefore you wholly approve the Holocaust which was pivotal in getting that done. Hosannas to the Nazis.


:roll:

There are no doubt horrible events in your own life which either directly or indirectly led to wonderful things later.
Would that mean that you "wholly support" those horrible things?


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08 May 2009, 10:24 am

Ragtime wrote:
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Israel is once again a nation. One people together in their original homeland after a dispersal of nearly 2,000 years. An equivalent has never happened in all of recorded history to any other people. I call that a miracle.


Therefore you wholly approve the Holocaust which was pivotal in getting that done. Hosannas to the Nazis.


:roll:

There are no doubt horrible events in your own life which either directly or indirectly led to wonderful things later.
Would that mean that you "wholly support" those horrible things?


I have no idea what kind of life you have lived but the horrible things in my life have lead to nothing wonderful.



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Sand wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sand wrote:
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Israel is once again a nation. One people together in their original homeland after a dispersal of nearly 2,000 years. An equivalent has never happened in all of recorded history to any other people. I call that a miracle.


Therefore you wholly approve the Holocaust which was pivotal in getting that done. Hosannas to the Nazis.


:roll:

There are no doubt horrible events in your own life which either directly or indirectly led to wonderful things later.
Would that mean that you "wholly support" those horrible things?


I have no idea what kind of life you have lived but the horrible things in my life have lead to nothing wonderful.


Have you experienced something horrible and then later experienced something wonderful? Yes, you have. We all have.
(Otherwise, life would not be a series of ups and down, which it is well known to be.)
That means that the horrible thing directly or indirectly led to the wonderful thing, regardless of whether you fail to recognize the connection.


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08 May 2009, 1:02 pm

You have no idea what my life has been about. Not any horror in my life has been compensated by a rewarding consequence. Horror remains horror and anything pleasant in my life had no roots in it.



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08 May 2009, 2:09 pm

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If it were not for Zionism, Anti semitism would not be a Big issue


Ladies and gentlemen, proof that anti-Zionism is a mental illness. Nothing more, nothing less.

cos, y'know, if "anti-semitism wasn't a big issue", then The Holocaust wouldn't have happened... or are you gonna turn around and deny that too?



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08 May 2009, 3:32 pm

Stop this zionist crap and start working towards a better future for all of us instead! We are all one people, no superstitious rubbish will change that. The blood is red on both sides. There are more pressing matters to attend, like environmental destruction and overpopulation.

Let's all hug and make up. :)


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11 May 2009, 4:30 pm

Anti Zionism is not Anti Semitism!! !! !!

Zionism is not Judaism!! !!

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11 May 2009, 4:57 pm

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God bless Israel!

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Getting the red out topic

I am a Zionist but I am not a Jew.

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