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Have you been a victim of racism?
Yes and I'm white 48%  48%  [ 33 ]
No and I'm white 33%  33%  [ 23 ]
Yes and I'm non-white 6%  6%  [ 4 ]
No and I'm non-white 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
I could care less and I'm white 10%  10%  [ 7 ]
I could care less and I'm non-white 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 69

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19 May 2009, 2:50 am

It could be as simple as denying someone a room in a hotel you possess because you don't like the person's color =/ (and it's been done, i can assure you).



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19 May 2009, 3:07 am

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If your white have you been a victim of racism or felt like you've been?

Only in the context of college admissions and scholarship considerations being biased towards non-whites. I also missed out on some nice internships by being a white male.


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19 May 2009, 3:14 am

I had read recently in "Le Monde" article about Obama that this kind of thing is called "positive discrimination" or somesuch (Grr, i'd need to check out the article again...) and this is pretty much what Orwell mentionned. =/



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19 May 2009, 10:23 am

phil777 wrote:
It could be as simple as denying someone a room in a hotel you possess because you don't like the person's color =/ (and it's been done, i can assure you).


Or an application for Government Employment as a Civil Servant?

It is very interesting that Obama stated down in Cuba that he was only about 3 years old when the Cuban Missile Crisis occurred and therefore could not be held accountable for what his country did during that crisis. But when it comes to history in which I was not part of (segregation, crow laws, etc...), well...you see where this is going.

And, some may find it enlightening that it was more Government intervention into the transportation sectors that brought upon the most despised laws of that time.



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19 May 2009, 11:07 am

phil777 wrote:
I had read recently in "Le Monde" article about Obama that this kind of thing is called "positive discrimination" or somesuch (Grr, i'd need to check out the article again...) and this is pretty much what Orwell mentionned. =/

I fail to see how any discrimination could be "positive".



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19 May 2009, 12:19 pm

Cyanide wrote:
phil777 wrote:
I had read recently in "Le Monde" article about Obama that this kind of thing is called "positive discrimination" or somesuch (Grr, i'd need to check out the article again...) and this is pretty much what Orwell mentionned. =/

I fail to see how any discrimination could be "positive".


That is because you see the word 'positive' in normative terms. It is not used necessarily to mean 'desirable', only that it is different from 'negative' discrimination of denying someone a right or privilege due to their color, creed, gender, or age. The US Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that such forms of discrimination are valid only in very narrowly defined circumstances - for example, if a police department practiced negative discrimination and had a policy of not hiring blacks, it can be ordered to institute a policy of positive discrimination for a time to correct for that and bring the force into line with what it would look like if there had been no negative discrimination.



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19 May 2009, 12:22 pm

In South Africa we have Affirmative Action which is purely based on your skin colour and is supposed to address the injustices of Apartheid. But it plays out that my 16 month old white son will not find a job here unless I create it for him when he grows up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action
"South Africa. The Employment Equity Act and the Broad Based Black Economic Empowerment Act aim to promote and achieve equality in the workplace (in South Africa termed "equity"), by not only advancing people from designated groups but also specifically dis-advancing the others. By legal definition, the designated groups include all people of color, white females, people with disabilities, and people from rural areas. The term "black economic empowerment" is somewhat of a misnomer, therefore, because the acts cover empowerment of any member of the designated groups, regardless of race. However, government’s employment legislation reserves 80% of new jobs for black people and favours black-owned companies.[23] It is quota-based, with specific required outcomes. By a relatively complex scoring system, which allows for some flexibility in the manner in which each company meets its legal commitments, each company is required to meet minimum requirements in terms of representation by previously disadvantaged groups. The matters covered include equity ownership, representation at employee and management level (up to board of director level), procurement from black-owned businesses and social investment programs, amongst others. In 2008, the High Court in South Africa has ruled that Chinese South Africans are to be reclassified as black people. As a result of this ruling, ethnically Chinese citizens will be able to benefit from government Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) policies.[24]"

** http://www.uct.ac.za/downloads/uct.ac.z ... policy.pdf
Then we also have discrimination at university level:TheThe UCT suggests a racial IQ "inadequacy" for blacks in breach of international law with their admission policy for medical students. The guidelines stipulated that black students obtain an average of 74% to qualify for medical studies, coloureds 78%, Indians 88% and whites 91%.



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19 May 2009, 12:35 pm

some (many) black people are ashamed of their color. i think that the reason for this is that whiteness is associated with cleanliness and righteousness, and blackness is associated with dirtiness and thus, low moral fiber.

of course the stereotype is wrong, but some blacks hearken to that stereotype subconsciously and they rebel against it.

they consider white people to be undeservedly privileged.
white people did not ask to be born white. they just are "lucky". black people who do not like being black resent the smug way that white people take for granted that they are white.

then they are compelled to become resistant, and they dislike white people on a fundamental level.
that level is the level where the black people with low self esteem are jealous of.

black people who feel inferior are as racist as white people who think blacks are inferior.

gotta go someone is at my door.



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19 May 2009, 1:55 pm

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I have witnessed white on white racism, mostly between English and Polish people.


I've been subject to loads of discrimination for being a Polish immigrant in England. funnily enough, it was all well up until 2004 when the big wave of immigrants had flooded the UK. up until then I was usually considered quite exotic and interesting, after that I became an "enemy of the state".

and I'm just as pale as anyone else in Britain, lol.


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22 May 2009, 9:15 am

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GRANTED, whites aren't perfect. I think I wrote here about a TEXAN making fun of Denmark(IN DENMARK),
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why arent i suprised? oh yeah because texans are that arrogant 99.99% of the time. i live there so i can honestly attest this :o


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22 May 2009, 1:14 pm

anna-banana wrote:
Confused-Fish wrote:

I have witnessed white on white racism, mostly between English and Polish people.


I've been subject to loads of discrimination for being a Polish immigrant in England. funnily enough, it was all well up until 2004 when the big wave of immigrants had flooded the UK. up until then I was usually considered quite exotic and interesting, after that I became an "enemy of the state".

and I'm just as pale as anyone else in Britain, lol.


Yeah, that seems to happen with any big wave of immigrants from any country. white on white racism has never exactly been rare in the uk though, just ask the Scots or Irish etc



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22 May 2009, 1:28 pm

I have never been a victim of racism, and I can't say I've witnessed much racism either, even though Eskilstuna is a very diverse city. I dunno.


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12 Jun 2016, 4:32 pm

Yes and I am white..........................IN APPEARANCE

While I was dark and still was a sunbunny living in the south the worst I heard was that I'd have lazy zebra kids. Lawl.

I have had a teen hood rat try and knife me and it ends up she was 3rd cousin and got beat by her daddy because my Grandmother was the eldest matriarch of our family. She assumed by my appearance and daring to walk to my aunts house in San Fernando thru Sylmar I was someone to victimize. Sad.
Few other hispanic run ins in AZ/CA.

More were black. And this wasn't a noticeable thing to me until after the 80s. Michigan, Cali, AZ and WA were the locations it was ugly and really soured my general opinions.

Discrimination in jobs were so obvious I sometimes had to pull out my own "card" And the fact that system exits pisses me off!
A lesser qualified black person was going to snipe a job. The manager (also black lol) that needed me suggested I use my check boxes so corporate would not override his decision. So ... at that time I was 1) Female 2) Hispanic 3) Native American 4) Veteran[of a foreign war]. Being the best available and qualified canddiate was not going to be enough :( *this was in WA state
PS guys another bias in hiring is AGE. Over 30...um next please



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12 Jun 2016, 4:56 pm

Many times. I grew up in a rather rough inner city area of NJ where whites are a minority to both blacks and Hispanics. While I picked on by people of all races throughout my life, the ones which had the most racial overtone were far and away the blacks. Being a long haired heavy metal guy in HS made me a target for much threatening and verbal abuse. Thankfully I knew to act insane enough and was big enough to avoid any significant physical abuses.

I don't think the anti-white sentiment in the black community at large can be overstated. I've met and known and interacted with more blacks who hate whites than whites who hate blacks. My philosophy has always been when you get into an area that has too large a concentration of any ethnicity or race, the prevailing race will always be more "racist" and tend toward affirming stereotypes.

I still don't carry racist views even if I have been subjected to them. There are so few people in this world I relate to and identify with that I'd never rule someone out based on their families place of origin.



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14 Jun 2016, 5:34 pm

I would have assumed that it was white, to be preppy or stoner-ish. I was more a rocker.

But, real, white supremists were surprisingly like black stereotypes, who Bill Cosby wouldn't like -- gold chains, gym clothes outside of gym, underwear outside of clothes, low rider cars, rap, basketball, and prison culture. It was considered racist, to mention this, but these were supposed to be Nazis.

It was these people, who researched my name, even before I did, and made it notorious. I got picked on, for being Jewish, when it was never especially a part of my identity, at the time.

Jewish people were nice to me, in public school.

Blacks and Mexicans pushed me to the point of expulsions (for them.)

Firstly, I have no natural fear of people, or it is greatly delayed. I spoke frankly, when others avoided conflict. Maybe, they were being normal, while I was being oblivious.

Not that I am by any means suicidal, but there is something called suicide happiness. When I was certain that I would die (through no fault of my own) I wasn't worried. It was like I had no more pain, responsibilities, or pressures. Long bar clamp beats short folding knife, and clears the woodshop. Otherwise, I have nothing clever to say. In my mind, it was still being used as a tool, in a calm, focused moment of Zen, which I guess NT people aspire to. It was guileless.

Many episodes like this, until all the police knew my name.



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18 Jun 2016, 1:45 pm

I realize this thread is over 7 years old, but.....

Yes, I have been discriminated against, COUNTLESS times. One incident was in Junior High, I was beat-up by black twin girls, in the gym locker room. One of them slammed me upside a locker, I fell-over the bench in the middle, and the other one picked me up, and slammed me against the other side. When we went to the Principal's office, I couldn't say who did what cuz they were identical.

In recent times, Affirmative Action has been the bane of my existence, because there is NO WAY a white person needs help.

A couple of months ago I got a job run by Latinos. I thought "this is GREAT, I won't be discriminated against HERE, because they know all-too-well how badly it sucks to be discriminated against"----HA, silly me! It was a Day Laborer job, and I only got one job in 2 weeks. They hadn't even asked me in what I was qualified, until then----and then, the girl said she was giving me a job because I had a turn-off notice; NO, she was giving me a job because I was next in line (had been, for almost a week)----or, at least, that SHOULD have been the reason; for some reason she thought that *I* would think that she was doing me a favor. (Black people, in my area, in the same position, have done the same thing. What it comes-down-to is, if they do something "nice" for you, it covers their butts----then, they can say: "I offered her a job", and nobody could do anything about a complaint [obviously, no-one could prove discrimination, anyway----unless it was a black person, and then all they'd have to do, is voice it, and the person accused, is the person at fault----at least, in MY neck-of-the-woods].)

Right now, I have a temporary job owned / run by white people----at least now if I get fired, it'll probably be because of some stupid thing I did, rather than "white people are slimy"----NOT that white people can't be unfair, TOO, but.....





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