Why are Republican politicians so darned naughty?

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Zornslemma
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27 Jun 2009, 5:22 pm

Mark Sanford is one of the first republican politicians in quite a long time to be caught in a heterosexual affair..... :lmao:

Ever since Bush took office in 2001 republicans seem to find themselves repeatedly caught in GAY Sex Scandals! :lol:



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27 Jun 2009, 5:23 pm

Henriksson wrote:
Gee, are you completely unable to spot sarcasm?


I am an Aspie. The answer is no. I take things quite lierally.

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27 Jun 2009, 5:45 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
Gee, are you completely unable to spot sarcasm?


I am an Aspie. The answer is no. I take things quite lierally.

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Do note that I used a smiley at the end.


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27 Jun 2009, 5:52 pm

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It turns out that our Democratic president is a model family man--for being the head of a party that is supposedly "liberal", "pro-gay" and "anti-traditional values", we have a president who is as conservative and morally upright as anyone possibly can be.

Lying about one's religion doesn't make a person a model family man. And as we all know, Obama is a secret muslim. Ergo, he is just as bad, if not worse than our proud Republican politicians who fell victim to the temptations of sin.

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:roll: muslim, srsly? Okay, folks he is protestant, second, unlike the conserative group with "family values" he has never had an affair, a divorce, abused drugs or the ilk. The only people who say he is a muslim is the right wing and the guy who started it was denied entrance to the Illinois BAR for suffering paranoid delusions and delusions of granduer


he inhaled.

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27 Jun 2009, 6:28 pm

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Well, there is a difference between corruption (where the public is damaged) and an affair (which is mostly a private matter). What is ironic is that for years, one party tried to make private conduct central to evaluating elected officials, and that has backfired on them.


Now, if its them pushing for better standards - that's fine. If its a point of supremacy, its a different story. The problem is though, I don't think I can really count on a liberal's perspective of the Republican party to be accurate because so many other intentions of the party are obscured, turned around, hacked, etc.. Kind of like someone recently mentioned that we wanted to bomb Iran because we hate middle-easterners and think the fewer non-Christians the better; I can't even speak of how far outside reality that is, cynical hyperbole maybe but when I look around this site I keep seeing the notion that liberals are superior to conservatives and every failing of a conservative is worth ten failings of a liberal just based on party and emotional alignment. I don't get it, I'm not so sure that I will.



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27 Jun 2009, 10:11 pm

??? they are the same, have you noticed, just as many democrats have scandals, they just dont get media coverage.... i find that strange


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27 Jun 2009, 10:51 pm

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Being a Republican means being a morally-superior hypocrite.

Even Rush Limbaugh was mis-using drugs.


OK, you need to not be doing this. Rush Limbaugh was on pain medication for a back injury. He became addicted to this pain medication, which is not uncommon. At least he admitted it and got the help he needed. Do I respect him less because of his addiction? I am not a Rush Limbaugh fan (and so I haven't had much respect for him anyway), but yes. Will I use that as evidence that he's a horrible person? No.

Additionally, it should be noted that Democrats have a considerable amount of corruption/affairs/etc as well, and for the record, it is reported on. The fact of the matter is, about the same percentage of politicians have likely been involved in this sort of things as the average person, they are just caught more often and are much more in the media's eye.

Every time that something like this happens, people use this as evidence that X political party is horrible or politicians as a whole are horrible people. It's not true. How many politicians have not been reported on? Everyone seems to assume that it's because they haven't been caught yet. It couldn't possibly be because they aren't involved in corruption, affairs, drugs, or anything else. I'll use an example from my district (I actually saw him on C-SPAN yesterday. I didn't know that he ever spoke): Dean Heller. He's never been caught as a member of corruption, and even fought it in his own party when he was Secretary of State of Nevada.

There are plenty of politicians who are not involved in these things, of both parties. The media loves to uncover those that are, because it sells. I'd laugh at the irony of people like that (who are more concerned with selling papers or getting better ratings than actual news) reporting on corruption, if it weren't so tragic.


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27 Jun 2009, 11:00 pm

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??? they are the same, have you noticed, just as many democrats have scandals, they just dont get media coverage.... i find that strange

Really?

In my lifetime, I know of two high-profile Democratic sex scandals: Clinton and Spitzer. There have been too many Republican sex scandals for me to even name.


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27 Jun 2009, 11:51 pm

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??? they are the same, have you noticed, just as many democrats have scandals, they just dont get media coverage.... i find that strange

Really?

In my lifetime, I know of two high-profile Democratic sex scandals: Clinton and Spitzer. There have been too many Republican sex scandals for me to even name.


No familiarity with John Edwards and his mistress funding with campaign funds? Mayor Kilpatrick and his problems with secretaries? Usually I'll give it this, dems are better at political corruption and embezzlement than sex scandals but they're definitely out there. Sandy Burger shoving classified documents down his pants and even leaving some hidden at a construction site for half a day before picking them up and doing what he did with them - pretty far out there. Charles Wrangle - financial corruption galore, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were neck deep in Fanny and Freddy and they're heading up the solution to the problem? You have the husband and wife power-couple right now out of Michigan being heavily investigated for fraud, and then of course right now you have the immediate firing of the Inspector General, also rather interesting. Not to mention we have a guy heading the IRS right now who's made more than a few honest mistakes, just like...who was it who had limo services for years and never paid taxes on it?

Republicans, no, they aren't perfect. To say they out-corrupt democrats though takes a rather deliberate blind eye or just lots of MSNBC with no chaser.



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27 Jun 2009, 11:59 pm

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??? they are the same, have you noticed, just as many democrats have scandals, they just dont get media coverage.... i find that strange

Really?

In my lifetime, I know of two high-profile Democratic sex scandals: Clinton and Spitzer. There have been too many Republican sex scandals for me to even name.


Indeed, and like I said before this one is exceptional because its a heterosexual scandal. Most republican sex scandals are Gay :mrgreen:

*ROFLMAO*

I cant believe it took me so long to realize that the whole point of promulgating ideals and moral precepts is so that you dont have to actually live up to them IRL. :?



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28 Jun 2009, 1:05 am

the reason the conseratives get more coverage is because they are supposed to be "family values" "morales" and "anti-corruption" and the public loves to see a hypocrit outed


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28 Jun 2009, 5:51 am

There is no doubt that the political structure in the USA as well as many other countries is oriented towards the corruption of politics through the monetary power of corporations since getting elected is, after all, the basic obligation of politicians. And corporations and the financial sector (the conservative base of the country) are obviously the central source of the necessary funds. The huge costs of getting elected in the USA because the media (which theoretically is a public franchise) is very expensive.
Therefore the ambiance of the business community who's morality is more in the nature of avoiding getting caught rather than with any compliance with legality. Since a very large proportion of Republicans come out of a business culture it is not surprising that the morality comes along. Nixon's policy of enhancing his party's popularity in the South by playing along with racism and the quick emigration of southern racist Democrats into the Republican Party after Johnson supported the fight of blacks for equality is an obvious sign of the type of morality involved with the Republican Party. That this basic morality is involved, not only in the finances of Republicans but is easily transferred into sexuality is not surprising.

This is not to indicate that the Democrats are free of this despicable hypocrisy but in general there is a slight degree of more sympathy for the deprived sector of the country than with the conservatives. I am not encouraged by Obama's partiality towards many of G.W.Bush's policies of torture and secrecy and invasion of privacy and extremely overgenerous policy towards the scams operating out of the large powerful financial sectors that are giving little if any aid to the victims of these monstrous scams.



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28 Jun 2009, 9:19 am

I'm pretty certain the Democrats are no better than the Republicans when it comes to "naughty" things they do in office.

The problem is that the Republicans get more press because they claim one thing then get exposed doing the opposite. Democrats often have no such hypocrisy...they are bad boys and don't really try to cover it up.

A commentator made the observation that an episode of adultery used to be a death blow to anyone holding public office.

Now public morality was so wishy-washy that people don't care....perhaps it's time we did.



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28 Jun 2009, 9:29 am

Remember, though: for a Conservative, it would only count as "adultery" if the woman was married.



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28 Jun 2009, 11:00 am

Sex scandals do not affect a politician's ability to run the country effectively. :roll:

Does it not strike anyone else as slightly hypocritical that Clinton was condemned for cheating on his wife, but Bush got away with single-handedly screwing up the world?


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28 Jun 2009, 11:45 am

People in other countries probably think that we are silly and eccentric.

French presidents routinely have a series of mistresses--it is de rigueur.

President Sarkozy has married a series of super models.

The fact that American Republicans try to present themselves as being so morally superior makes them a laughing stock.

With President Clinton--well, he never really pretended that he found women other than Hillary to be unattractive. So, no big deal, really.

And, he never officially got more than a blow job, anyway.