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29 Aug 2009, 1:42 am

Through simple pondering, I have become interested in simple historical examples of where 'head-on, direct action' has failed to overcome conflict, and where instead 'social' and 'diplomatic' or 'avoidance' approaches have been realised as the best approach to conflict. Stories of pub brawls involving good samaritans sustaining life-threatening injuries for the sake of trying to directly breaking up a fight is a little too insignifant for my purposes of discussion, and the Iraq war too protracted (it is far from being solved) and complex.

What evidence can you find of either words or avoidance tactics being better suited to conflict resolution? After all, some two-or-more-party events of tension can sort them selves out.



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29 Aug 2009, 4:28 am

I think,the best is the combination of both


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29 Aug 2009, 5:11 am

OneLuke wrote:
Through simple pondering, I have become interested in simple historical examples of where 'head-on, direct action' has failed to overcome conflict, and where instead 'social' and 'diplomatic' or 'avoidance' approaches have been realised as the best approach to conflict. Stories of pub brawls involving good samaritans sustaining life-threatening injuries for the sake of trying to directly breaking up a fight is a little too insignifant for my purposes of discussion, and the Iraq war too protracted (it is far from being solved) and complex.

What evidence can you find of either words or avoidance tactics being better suited to conflict resolution? After all, some two-or-more-party events of tension can sort them selves out.


as visnof suggests, war DOES consist of both, if you examine the concept a bit closer.

War consists of:
1. violent hostilities.
followed by
2. diplomatics and negotiations to end hostilities.

its very rare that #1 is skipped altogether.


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29 Aug 2009, 6:17 am

visnofskygirl wrote:
I think,the best is the combination of both


You gotta know when to hold'em, you gotta know when to fold'em, you gotta know when to say and when to run.

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29 Aug 2009, 7:51 am

Inaction.

There is this old joke about a magic problem solving box.

You write down your problems on slips of paper and put them into a box.

Every few months you go through the box and throw out the slips that don't apply any more.

They have been magically "solved".



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29 Aug 2009, 11:30 am

the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing...



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29 Aug 2009, 11:43 am

pakled wrote:
the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing...


Some times Good Men fight back and lose.

In Tierra Del Fuego good men have done nothing, and evil does not triumph there. Nothing triumphs there.

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29 Aug 2009, 2:20 pm

Two examples right off the top of my head: The Cold War; although not bloodless as some might think, nuclear weapons have saved untold thousands more lives than they have taken, perhaps even millions.
TR's Great White Fleet. When The U.S. Navy shows up at your door ready to fight or drink...., well, somebody buy that sailor a drink.

Edit: Cuban Missile crisis also comes to mind. RFK was dead nuts on this one, however it would never had come to that point had not JFK blown it twice previously with the Bay of Pigs and failed sumit with Krushev.



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29 Aug 2009, 4:52 pm

Who can forget when Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain got Hitler's Germany to sign the Munich Agreement, thereby halting the German advance into Eastern Europe and avoiding yet another European confl.....oh, never mind.

I suppose diplomacy today goes "Si vis pacem, para bellum"



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29 Aug 2009, 5:29 pm

Inaction is only good as long as you take the time to analyze and consider your options before you spring into action. <.<



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29 Aug 2009, 5:39 pm

We should all do nothing, nothing about anything.



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29 Aug 2009, 5:43 pm

But then nothing would get done! Not even your dinner.



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29 Aug 2009, 5:53 pm

phil777 wrote:
But then nothing would get done! Not even your dinner.


Story of my F'n life! :cry: