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11 Oct 2009, 9:11 am

Bare with me as I'm not as well versed as many of the PPR scholars...I mean members are here.

Here's my question:

What is your stance on creationism now that most of what was assumed has now been scientifically investigated?

I thought without coming off bias maybe I could get some insight as to whether or not you accept evolution and if not why?

In other words why base your belief off religious scriptures and texts without evidence?

If you accept evolution, how do you accept your own version of truth through a divinity if evolution has already disproven much of "god's" works.

Not here to ridicule but I'm just curious...


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11 Oct 2009, 9:18 am

As a Christian, this is a perplexing topic for me.

It's possible that we could be descended from monkeys, because there's so much that the Bible does not say. It never mentions the step-by-step process that God used to create everything. It just mentioned that he created them on so-and-so day. And one day was, like, 50 days, or something like that.

So it really opens up a lot for debate.


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11 Oct 2009, 10:02 am

I don't mean to be snide in asking this but, have you looked around at other threads on this topic? People might not mind sharing their beliefs at times but constantly repeating yourself gets tiring. That and constantly reiterating yourself on the demand of another group is really a form of submission.



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11 Oct 2009, 10:05 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
As a Christian, this is a perplexing topic for me.

It's possible that we could be descended from monkeys, because there's so much that the Bible does not say. It never mentions the step-by-step process that God used to create everything. It just mentioned that he created them on so-and-so day. And one day was, like, 50 days, or something like that.

So it really opens up a lot for debate.


In the Genesis account it says G-D created the Sun and the stars on the fourth day, after he created plant life. Do you see a problem with this?

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11 Oct 2009, 10:08 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I don't mean to be snide in asking this but, have you looked around at other threads on this topic? People might not mind sharing their beliefs at times but constantly repeating yourself gets tiring. That and constantly reiterating yourself on the demand of another group is really a form of submission.


Sorry I bothered. :roll:

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If you find this topic boring then don't read it.

There problem solved.


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11 Oct 2009, 10:18 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
As a Christian, this is a perplexing topic for me.

It's possible that we could be descended from monkeys, because there's so much that the Bible does not say. It never mentions the step-by-step process that God used to create everything. It just mentioned that he created them on so-and-so day. And one day was, like, 50 days, or something like that.

So it really opens up a lot for debate.


Yes it does which is why I'm curious as to why one would hold faith from a book that has no real source except through faith. If after an investigation has proven something contrary to the bible why does one regardless if they believe in evolution or not hold onto that particular faith or way of life?


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11 Oct 2009, 10:51 am

MissConstrue wrote:
What is your stance ...


In my own experience, and because of inherent agendas, having a stance or "position" on this stuff actually blocked me from ever being able to look at it clearly.

MissConstrue wrote:
What [about] creationism now that most of what was assumed has now been scientifically investigated?


Scientific evidence cannot either prove or disprove the origin of all that exists, and neither can it either prove or disprove whatever might have been behind that origin.

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I thought without coming off bias ...


You do not seem to exhibit any personal bias, yet many of us have long been victimized by the wordings of statements and rhetorical questions coming from biased people ... and that is why I talk about today being free of "stance" or "position" on this stuff.

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Maybe I could get some insight as to whether or not you accept evolution and if not why?


I do not accept either creationism or evolutionism as a final and exclusive answer, and that is because neither can really get or go anywhere without the other.

MissConstrue wrote:
In other words why base ... off religious scriptures and texts without evidence?


Other than in the minds of people with "positions" to defend for the sake of their agendas, there is no conflict between science and Scripture.

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If you accept evolution, how do you accept your own version of truth through a divinity if evolution has already disproven much of "god's" works.


Science can reveal similarities shared by humans and apes, for example, and science can show how each may have evolved a bit over time. However, only "creation" can explain the fact that humans and apes still exist side-by-side without either ever getting any closer to becoming the other.

Some folks say everything that exists was created in only 6 days, yet Scripture (Genesis) only speaks of the forming of the earth ... and the idea of this earth (and everything on it) being formed over long periods of time takes nothing away from Scripture.


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11 Oct 2009, 11:39 am

leejosepho wrote:
Science can reveal similarities shared by humans and apes, for example, and science can show how each may have evolved a bit over time. However, only "creation" can explain the fact that humans and apes still exist side-by-side without either ever getting any closer to becoming the other.


No, you don't need creationism to explain that. No one says that apes should turn into humans, just that both apes and humans had a common ancestor.



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11 Oct 2009, 11:43 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
It's possible that we could be descended from monkeys...
It is my understanding evolution does not claim humans are decendants of monkeys, but rather share a common ancestor. I never much cared for the notion myself, but a little reading on the fossils, Lucy and Ardi, shows it does not much matter what I might feel about it.



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11 Oct 2009, 12:16 pm

claire333 wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
It's possible that we could be descended from monkeys...
It is my understanding evolution does not claim humans are decendants of monkeys, but rather share a common ancestor. I never much cared for the notion myself, but a little reading on the fossils, Lucy and Ardi, shows it does not much matter what I might feel about it.


We are all descendants of one celled slimy critters.

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11 Oct 2009, 12:33 pm

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No, you don't need creationism to explain that. No one says that apes should turn into humans, just that both apes and humans had a common ancestor.


If apes and humans have a common ancestor, where is it?

Until science can prove any such theory, only the immediately observable of everything being after its own kind makes any sense:

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"Let the earth bring forth grass, the plant that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind ...
"Let the waters teem with shoals of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth on the face of the expanse of the heavens ... great sea creatures and every living creature that moves, with which the waters teemed, according to their kind ... and every winged bird according to its kind ...
"Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: livestock and creeping creatures and beasts of the earth, according to its kind ... the beast of the earth according to its kind, livestock according to its kind, and all that creep on the earth according to its kind ..." (Genesis 1:11-25)

"All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another of fishes, and another of birds." (1 Corinthians 15:39)


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11 Oct 2009, 1:12 pm

leejosepho wrote:
If apes and humans have a common ancestor, where is it?

Until science can prove any such theory, only the immediately observable of everything being after its own kind makes any sense:



If germans and norwegians have a common ancestor, where is it? :) I kid.

What exactly is meant by a "kind"?


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11 Oct 2009, 1:51 pm

MissConstrue wrote:
Bare with me as I'm not as well versed as many of the PPR scholars...I mean members are here.

Here's my question:

What is your stance on creationism now that most of what was assumed has now been scientifically investigated?

I thought without coming off bias maybe I could get some insight as to whether or not you accept evolution and if not why?

In other words why base your belief off religious scriptures and texts without evidence?

If you accept evolution, how do you accept your own version of truth through a divinity if evolution has already disproven much of "god's" works.

Not here to ridicule but I'm just curious...


In the Baha'i faith, Abdul Baha (sole interpreter of Baha'u'llah's writings) has written that evolution of mankind is indeed a fact that cannot be denied. However, mankind is indeed created. What makes mankind different from other animals is the human soul, which is made in the image of God. Abdul Baha has said that even if man was a fish, the human soul existed, and this is what animals lack. The Adam and Eve story is only symbolic and must not be taken literally - it was revealed in this format at that time due to the people's level of knowledge at that period. I personally view creationism at the atomic level.

http://www.bcca.org/ref/books/bwf/0704m ... ution.html

People view evolutionism as an atheist phenomenon, but forget that Darwin himself was agnostic. He left Christianity as he disliked it excluding people of other faiths.



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11 Oct 2009, 1:58 pm

PLA wrote:
If germans and norwegians have a common ancestor, where is it? :) I kid.


I wish I knew how to make a witty, tongue-in-cheek response there, but I do not ...

PLA wrote:
What exactly is meant by a "kind"?


Humans are one kind of mammal, elephants are another kind of mammal, and each "kind" can only produce offspring after its own kind, and only after mating within its own kind.


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11 Oct 2009, 2:06 pm

leejosepho wrote:

If apes and humans have a common ancestor, where is it?



It's detailed in the post right above the one i'm quoting here.

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We are all descendants of one celled slimy critters.


If you're asking this question it means you need to learn more about evolution, you wont do that reading a bible.if you ask about how the evolution of the human eye occured you'll win a badge.


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